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12:33 am on Jun 22, 2019 (gmt 0)

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Hi everyone. I am known as KnowOneSpecial. I was a moderator of SeoChat.

The site has been moved to WebmasterWorld.

Let's see how this merge will perform.
12:49 pm on June 27, 2019 (gmt 0)

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Thank you for creating this forum. Found answers to most questions. Bookmarked.
P.s. Sorry for my English
4:17 pm on June 27, 2019 (gmt 0)

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Welcome to WebmasterWorld KingP [webmasterworld.com...]
9:11 am on June 28, 2019 (gmt 0)

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Good luck with your new forum KnowOneSpecial.

May I ask why you've moved to a new forum?
3:49 pm on June 28, 2019 (gmt 0)

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I was wondering what was going on, I had bookmarked some SEO Chat forum threads to come back and read later, just this morning I went to look at them after months of forgetting about it and then it lead me to webmaster world. The sad thing is I never got to take notes on those threads, and also sad that SEO chat is now closed.

What happened why did the owner decide to close it?
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What happened why did the owner decide to close it?

See the message of Brett_Tabke on the previous pag e:
[webmasterworld.com...]
5:25 pm on June 28, 2019 (gmt 0)

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Yes for me it is quite sad, I had frequented SEO Chat forums for many years. Feel free to reach out if there is anything specific I can help with, or if you have any specific questions.
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thanks for the heads up Dimitri

Im kinda sad because I posted a thread in SEO chat now its gone, I never read the replies lol I was busy and forgot to check on it.
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This is DirectHits, one of the Mods from SEO Chat. I've been trying to get in for almost two weeks, but couldn't get the verification email. I see a few familiar faces. Didn't use my old name as the rules say something about not using your domain or business name. Hello!
2:40 am on July 3, 2019 (gmt 0)

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@Oso Optimized ... and a HOWDY! to you as well!

Welcome to Webmasterworld ... and the SEOchats forum!
12:44 pm on July 4, 2019 (gmt 0)

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Hi to everyone.
I was a not so old member at Seochat and also was surprised about the sudden close of the forum.
Especially felt strange when I wanted to go back and look for some old advices that some other members have posted and unfortunately there was no way to even browse the old forum.... Really disappointing.

Good to see that some really helpful members like Know are here.
But to be honest the current structure is not very helpful.
Too many sections and subsections around, some are open, some are private.
4:10 pm on July 17, 2019 (gmt 0)

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From having a brief read, WebmasterWorld members have given us a warm welcome so thank you very much for that.

Mods had asked many times to purchase SEOchat, before it was taken down, and afterwards. So far we're getting no response, at all. Doesn't quite seem like the "I was so keen to sell SEOchat" is remotely true.

[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 4:21 pm (utc) on Jul 17, 2019]
[edit reason] snip personal stuff [/edit]

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Lets leave the personal stuff to email. Yes, I have been flipping busy. I took off may 1st to July 1st to move and prep our house for sale. As I have copied and pasted to everyone that has asked - give me time to get to it.
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I'm going to start things off with a cross-post from the DevShed forum...

Those of you migrating will know me from both Dev Shed and SEO Chat (and indeed all of the DevShed sites). I'm a long-time moderator of both sites and a former admin for both as well. Having invested literally tens of thousands of hours as an admin, moderator, writer, and editor on the various DS sites, it's a sad feeling to see it all disappear without so much as a read-only archive. There was a wealth of valuable information either dumped or left to bit rot in an old archive. It's unfortunate, really.

I want to take a moment to thank Brett. No one likes to be the guy who makes the decision to shoot a lame horse. Being one of the persons you spoke to about buying the sites, I believe from our conversation that you did do everything you could to save them. Having been closely involved with the development team, I can also speak to the nature of problems you encountered with the heavily custom integration of the LOTGD game. Removing it would not have been fun. While I may have been able to do it with enough time (and having access to the original developer), there's no guarantee he would have been willing and available; and having prior engagements I did not have the time or resources to dedicate to doing it alone.

I will miss the friendships that were formed over the last 15 years and I will cherish the memories. I will try to look on this next chapter as positively as I know how.

For those members stopping by, I encourage you to register even if it's just to say hello.

As for me. I'm never hard to find.
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Brett, believe I've sent you a sticky mail, not quite sure though.


ThomasHarvey, if you have an opportunity moving forward, you should PM me.
6:04 am on July 18, 2019 (gmt 0)

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@Nilpo ... Welcome to Webmasterworld.

It is never easy to see a valued forum die the slow death ... or quick one! ... and starting over is never easy. Your experience and knowledge are appreciated right from the get go.

Brett is a hard worker, he is also hard worked. I suspect things MIGHT be revisited when time, pressures, and freedom to do both become available again.

Meanwhile, DevShed and SEOchat are very welcome. WW is not set up the same as your old forum(s) but is very healthy, attentive, and chock full of players interested in what you folks bring to the table.
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People are talking like it was inevitable.

No one likes to be the guy who makes the decision to shoot a lame horse.

It was a lame horse because it was (not an insult, so snip if you think so... but in my opinion...) neglected. With a bit of love, it wouldn't have been so lame. The community was still reasonably active, yes, there was room for improvement - but honestly, with about 6-7 mods (which included professional SEOs/Marketers & experienced developers) willing to put their own time into the project to bring it back to its former glory, it clearly did not need to be shot in the head.

@Tangor, by the sounds of it you've only really stood on one side of the fence. If this happened to WebmasterWorld (in the manner of how it did with SEOchat) - which I highly doubt it would, by the way, I don't think you'd maybe have a different viewpoint.
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@Matt1966 ... I lost my first forum back in 1986 (BBS days), so pretty sure I know how these things happen. :)
8:27 pm on July 18, 2019 (gmt 0)

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@Tangor, my point was more the "in the manner of how it did with SEOchat" bit.

Anyway, thanks for the warm welcome everybody & I look forward to future contact. :)
8:49 pm on July 18, 2019 (gmt 0)

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Note: cross posted.

As a former member, Mod, and Admin of Cre8asiteforums, also bought back when by Jim Boykin, which sadly is also now extinct, I sympathise greatly.

At the time I could see what I thought to be Jim's plan, however, unfortunately, a number personal and business matters seem to have derailed whatever might have been.

Eventually, after as mentioned, years of semi-neglect (yes Cre8 suffered from this as well) Jim sold the sites back, likely for pennies on the dollar. Unfortunately, for various reasons, neither Kim with Cre8 or Brett with SEOChat and DevShed could see a way forward. I know how distraught we at Cre8 were.

Personally I never 'clicked' with SEOChat enough to register but I lurked by every couple of weeks just to check the temperature as it were. With DevShed it was more a matter of not having sufficient time to participate beyond weekly lurking at C/C++, Apache, PostgreSQL... It truly is regrettable that such a singular dev resource has shut.

I was quite shocked at the manner in which SEOChat and DevShed were shut and members faux integrated into WebmasterWorld, however I have no insight into the backstory. Without that context and with the respect I have for Brett and the WebmasterWorld Admin team I err on the side of giving them the benefit of doubt.

Brett, I sincerely hope (and expect his wife insists) has a life beyond the fora he owns. Life can be busy even chaotic at times. Communication is a two way process often without knowledge of situation on the other end. Patience is a virtue, irritating the other person counterproductive.

If, as seems suggested by comments, an offer for SEOChat and/or DevShed have been submitted it is up to the seller (Brett) to consider and reply in his timeframe. I understand how time can drag in such circumstance but, once one has ascertained it has been received one can only wait.

Frankly, I was hopeful that the inclusion of DevShed members might invigorate the moribund dev sections of WebmasterWorld :)

Regardless, once again, you have my sympathy and best wishes whether you go, stay, or achieve the opportunity to revive one or both SEOChat/DevShed.

P.S. please stay :)
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@Matt1966 It was, for all intents and purposes, inevitable due to poor decisions.

Jim Boykin and crew could have done more, but honestly, I don't believe they were equipped to take it on and the problems were handed to them.

The sites were running a very old version of VBulletin that was so heavily customized and patched that it could never be upgraded. So every time a vulnerability came out, a new patch was required. The Ninjas just weren't equipped for that kind of development. Neither were any of the previous owners which was why it kept getting sold.

Many of these problems were being introduced back in 2006-2007 and that dev team continued for several more years after.
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This is the problem when you use a CMS (I am including forum software in it), ... Ready to use CMS are what they are, they bring you lot of ready to use features and tools, this is convenient and easy to use,. but you should never touch the code, and just rely on updates from the developers, otherwise you create a Frankenstein like creature.

Or, the other solution is to develop your own CMS, yes, it's harder, longer, the dream of all men, but like all dreams not achievable by everybody. However, the satisfaction is that, you have a total control, which on a long term is a lot more profitable.
8:08 am on July 19, 2019 (gmt 0)

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@Nilpo ... sadly, I've been there, done that ... reliance on a third party software that ceased to be supported and (my stupidity) of staying in there longer than I should have trying to keep it going.

Fortunately (while I lost all of the previous historical), I moved quickly enough to a new platform and managed to retain over 80% of the original members and then grow it from there. Whew!

From what I understand re: DevShed and SEOChat there was no attempt made to cut losses and switch, merely linger and die a slow death (of functionality, security, etc.).

These things happen.

While WW is not the old ways, it is happy to have new folks in newly created forums for those folks. The historical stuff might be gone, but history continues and new chapters can be written.
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Thanks for this thread. What data have you moved and what data have you ditched?
3:22 am on July 31, 2019 (gmt 0)

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What data have you moved and what data have you ditched?

If you go to the top of this thread and then scroll down to Msg#: 4950123 posted on June 22, 2019, which is the 11th post from the top, you can find your answer bkseo ;)
9:01 pm on Aug 6, 2019 (gmt 0)

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Interesting to see that [tools.seochat.com...] is now pointing at [expocal.com...]
11:24 am on Aug 21, 2019 (gmt 0)

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Happy to be at this resourse and learning valuable information about SEO
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And another six weeks later, absolutely no response (about 4 months in total now? Ish?).

Anyway, I do hope the links do WebmasterWorld the world of good, and erm, Expocal? Community driven I see.
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There's communities everywhere. :)

As for the other ... Rolf Harris said it best back in 1960:

Tan me hide when I'm dead, Fred
Tan me hide when I'm dead
So we tanned his hide when he died, Clyde
And that's it hangin' on the shed!
Altogether now!


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The historical stuff is not available, was corrupted, and at present is unlikely to ever appear.
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Yes, that very redirect is precisely how I found myself here as well :-) As you can probably tell, I'm no newbie to forums myself, not by a long shot... Just new to this forum (and I must confess, I hadn't spent much time on SEOChat in a couple years, as I was spending most of my forum time on other forums namely DP, multiple industry niche forums for some of my sites (my adult sites that is) as well as multiple IM forums where I tend to pick up SEO clients and it tends to just "fit" better because there's also more up to date discussion on Moneymaking/revenue streams (CPM, CPC, CPA, CPI, CPL, Ecomm, Payment Processors, and methods, etc) so it just "fit" better...

If I can give one piece of constructive criticism: The forum could benefit from at least a BIT more content and discussion about moneymaking methods and revenue streams - it tends to pique people's interest and motivation more and keeps the morale a bit more positive... No offense, but as far as first impressions go, It just came across as though there are a handful , apparently long term based on their badges, members who are considerably more vocal than others, and resoundingly NEGATIVE - and if someone posts something contrary to their stated negative view, something positive for instance, in a few threads I've seen that result in those very members (I'd say about 5 or 6 of them consistently) resorting to pack mentality attack mode, accusing that person of being a "Schill for Google" (or whoever they were mad at the moment, but usually G) and the whole "Oh wait, you'll get what's coming to you" or outright insulting their intelligence and/or accusing them of being naive...

Take it or leave it, just giving my honest feedback as an unbiased 3rd party that has nothing to gain or lose from stating this (I still have my regular forums) - those few toxic members are likely keeping this forum sick - and are probably the reason why you have nowhere near the volume of the others, despite being (clearly) moderated and full of useful content...

Statistically (human Psycho-Social Fact) The overwhelming majority of visitors who would have come across those threads and felt intimidated or uncomfortable as a result, likely to the point of just going elsewhere - would never actually say anything about it.. they'd just leave... It's estimated that in this non-face to face venues, for every 1 complaint you would receive of that nature, there were likely 500 who felt the same way and said nothing.

Food for thought
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Just seen this and i am saddened.It is such a great loss. It is not always the specifics of the content but the way it taught people to think. That is the lost power of the older content. All the content from my former trainer Fathom along with other stars like Egol, Kernal Panic, Josh, Mary to but name a few. Then in more recent days KnowOne Special has been dedicated in teaching and helping. If we can make this sub remotely as powerful and provide half the knowledge them guys shared then it will be a success.
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