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A new beta test interface for Msn Live search

     
7:23 am on Jun 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

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Today I noted that search.live.com switched to www.bing.com.

It is a Beta version, maybe working only in some countries.
I got bing.conm here in Italy.

The Algo seems to me more "local".
I am curious about the way bing.com find local results: one factor seems IP location...

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Back links seem to be weighted far too heavily still. Makes it too easy to game - like G 5 years ago. Also looks like domain name plays too big a role.

Would agree that the results look more Yahooish at this point.

Certainly usable, though. Will be interesting to how the marketing department does...

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My thought today: I like the feel, the idea, of having three major search engines, instead of just two. Or, really 1.5 major search engines.

Bing is a good thing.

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OK, here's something they need to work on.

Site "a" has posted a direct link to one of my photos, just a plain old link. Click on it and it would load the image by itself, nothing fancy.

Bing shows my photo but the link takes you to the site "a" page where the direct link to my photo is posted, not directly to my photo.

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impressive search engine, a world apart from the old scruffy MSN/Live.com

as for the logo i wouldnt complain : it's an obvious marketing trick, after all it's 100x times better than Google if you really think about it.

google looks good because you've seen millions of times.
but it's crap, and it was called crap by everybody when they launched their site years ago before getting rich.

it's a junk made with times new roman with MSpaint.exe
and now people say it's beatiful.

get a life.
it sucks, and it perfectly represents its own #*$!ty company.

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It just feels like the same with a new face except I also do like that rollover feature to the right of the listings that allow you to read content off the pages instead of actually having to click the site.

I checked our site and to my amazement, the content that it had scraped was perfect and it had our phone and email address.

Spiffy feature.

Of course will my bad habit of always going to Googelie change to become a Bingster....ummmmm......i doubt it.

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I think BING is seriously going to make Google sweat. I can do stuff like USD GBP to get currency rates, get weather reports by typing in "new york weather", get stock quotes etc. Very impressive.

I'm confused -- who are are you calling innovative here? Both Google and Bing do all three of those things.

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sooner or later all this will be embedded in windozz
and google will have a hard time to cope with it.

google is the new Sperry.
(you need to be old school enough to get this joke)

12:20 am on June 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

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I saw Google ads for bing today!
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sooner or later all this will be embedded in windozz
and google will have a hard time to cope with it.

That was Microsoft's strategy for the original MSN, which was integrated with Windows 95. The MSN online service even looked like Windows 95, with Win95 icons and folders. Unfortunately for Microsoft (and for people like me, who were on the MSN payroll), knocking AOL off its perch wasn't as simple as building MSN into the operating system.

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In some of my searches I'm getting pages on some of my sites that I removed 3 to 4 years ago. This is 'New and Improved'? NOT...
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I like it. It's quick, has nice features, actually better at suggesting related terms that Google, and the local search is *way* better than Google's out of control spam problem.
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I must say, in my sector which is rather busy I am seeing results that really are better then g or yahoo.
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I like it. Very usable. Perhaps we'll see more traffic from bing than live...
4:23 am on June 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

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i tested it and mt page 1 is no where to find
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And after day one I must say that I have seen a dramatic jump in referrals from bing. 38% from bing/live/msn, 44% from Google, 12% yahoo, and 1% ask, 5% unknown or direct. Hope this keeps up and people continue to use bing!

[edited by: MLHmptn at 5:39 am (utc) on June 2, 2009]

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Honestly, I'm surprised how good it is!

I always keep an open mind, but I was very biased against MSFT coming out with a good search due to how crappy MSN and Live.com are. Bing results seems pretty good, the homepage with the new image and daily info is kinda cool- and traffic to client sites from Bing is about double of what MSN / Live was after only a couple of days!

How this continues to get better... also, why Bing? Why not revamp Live.com? Windows Live coming out soon? With Windows 7?

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Reading the comments, I thought I'd dropped into the Bing appreciation society pages!

As far as search share goes, Bing gets even less than Yahoo on my sites - 2.98% to be precise. It's early days though.

As far as SERPS go, it still returns the same old rubbish and corporate sites as Live did. Nothing has changed.

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Launch day (June 1st) - bing.com provided about 1% of referrals - site in travel sector.
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looks a lot like google to me on some searches. but why bing over live.com? bing is a strange name to me.
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I'm seeing top quality traffic coming from Bing today. Not as much as I'd like but sure more than I was getting from Live.

There's something right about the name IMO. It works but I don't know why.

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looks a lot like google to me on some searches. but why bing over live.com? bing is a strange name to me.

Google was also a very strange name initially...

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Really like the "also on this page" feature - similar to Google's sitelinks but more accessible.

Good results -- sending me double the traffic Live did, though as GA doesn't tag it as a search engine yet, I can't see the keywords people are using.

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So far I am seeing slightly less traffic than I did from live.

It is too early to judge, but with a site like mine (a niche encyclopaedia type site) a lot of people will just read the summary on Bing and not click through to my site.

Given that Google has been sued (by news sites) for the tiny snippets it uses, how is MS able to get away with copying significant chunks of each page, and replaying whole videos?

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Google was also a very strange name initially...

But bing just sounds wrong when used as a verb.

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There's something right about the name IMO. It works but I don't know why.

Because it is one letter shy of "Bingo!" (grins)

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When I clicked on the Country link at the top right and changed the selected country to US or UK am getting the same results as that using the US or UK IP respectively. So I hope using proxy is not required to see other country results.

Ha! I thought I had just found a way to get to the US results without a proxy from outside the states: [bing.com...] but it looks like the results are the same.... Infact, there must have been a change overnight, because now I don't seem to need a proxy.

Some folks say same results as Live, some say same results as G... Which is it?

We should remember that this is has gone live worldwide it seems, but that doesn't mean that every country is up to speed or has the same soppistication in results. As Webmasterworld is such an international community, we are seeing quite a variety of different results here. I wouldn't be surprised if there is also some difference between me in Bedford and my friends in Edinburgh.

[edited by: Receptional at 8:07 am (utc) on June 2, 2009]

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My referrals in Google Analytics are still saying 'Live' for yesterday, but Bing is so new, I'm not expecting any increase of traffic from it yet, wait until Microsoft launch this $80 mil campaign they've been banging on about then we'll start seeing some traffic from it
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seems like my meta description is coming from ODP.
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Image Search:

I have a FRAME Buster Installed via JavaScript.

"Displaying this page may force you to leave Bing Images. Opening the page in a new window will prevent this"

That's Cold... From What I remember I paid for the SLR Camera, Product, Photoshop and spent time perfecting the shot. I am not sure it is Bing Images. MS Lets call the things the way the should be called.

Other that that looks spiffy.

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I like Bing. Its fast, and the scraped content is pretty good too. Unless you're a content provider, obvs.

Unfortunately, where we dominate google for a wide selection of high-conversion mid-tail terms, we're below the fold or even off page 1 on pretty much everything.

I'm also seeing the same domain taking multiple positions on page 1, which I'm not sure I like,

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using wayback machine there is history of bing available, 2005, 2006, and it became for sale in 2007 - wonder how much they got for it.
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Getting lots of traffic from Bing. ;)
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Bing images search is the best I have seen with a search engine and for that I want clear results and no bugs, if you do a site: search you get all your images WITH filter and they also dont have the hotlinking issue like google had for years, so very clean results with filter and no hotlinking sites show up.
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It's very annoying that you have to float your cursor over an image in the image search to find out where it's from or indeed anything about it. Google image search is definately much better.
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The news search is also a bit hit and miss, search for villa holidays and you get a story about Wino as number 4!
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wow I now see that you can actually see results which are related to there domain, means I do a search on bing.com I then get results related to that domain "US results" before i always got a bad mix of the Country im in and us sites, now it really looks good, like google system GEo vise.
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Bing microsoft are in for some real big legal issues with the ability to watch #*$! from their site. Read a little on it yesterday and more today so I did a quick search as watched a hard core #*$! clip from Bing.

What does this do well the parents with safe search or filters now will have to add Bing a a site that can't be visited.

Not a real smart move as now millions will now block Bing I know I would if I had younger kids, what were they thinking.

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maybe they have got to the european standard, but I dont think US ever will. I also tried a search with filter on I did not see anything bad, when I turned of I saw what i expected.
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Image results are all over the place. I binged my own name, and in the image results I get a headshot of Alex Trebek. (btw my name is not alex, or trebek, and I have never been on Jeopardy).

I bing my WebmasterWorld alias, "httpwebwitch", and ... very prominently in the results I see a photo of Bob Denver (aka "Gilligan") attributed to WebmasterWorld.com. Hilarious!

And... amazing how many image searches for innocent keywords show results of young women showing off their bounty. Lots NSFW here.

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About image results, what I think was great was they dont have a filter issue where a lot of images are filtered like on google for no reason and hotlinking images issue, about results well maybe not the best, but I would rather search on Bing then on Google be cause I get more results, on google you have to search without filter before you get results.
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I'm pretty impressed so far. If MS throws some advertising behind it it may gain some traction.
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What does this do well the parents with safe search or filters now will have to add Bing a a site that can't be visited.

Corporate users too. NSFW is bang on. Or is that Bing on? (ducks)
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I have checked the keywords for my domain, and I have found that Bing is doing a reasonable job. I am ranking higher, because of the combination of domain name, url, page title and domain longevity. However, Google still does a better job of delivering high traffic/popular domains on their SERP. I attribute this to the fact that Google has Analytics, Toolbar, and Adword/Adsense data at its disposal to make better judgement calls.

So, whereas I am pleased I am getting better SERP, it is not deserved, and I believe that users will still be getting better overall results from Google, because of Google's technological advantage, which I do not think MS can overcome.

However, MS seems to be emphasizing particular vertical markets on its press tour, and I am guessing that MS, will attempt to slice out particular vertical markets, and increase its search engine revenue by a divide and conquer approach as opposed to beating Google in a war of generalized search engines.

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My experience is that Bing still does not have enough pages in its index. Years old websites that get thousands of visitors from Yahoo and Google are not even found in Bing. Some serious crawling needed in Redmond.
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hmm, I've found more search matches on BING then Google. It seems their weak point right now is blog indexing.

Bing also seems to factor in headers. For example if you search for a keyword, the <title></title> keywords count, whreas with Google it is more focused on "body page content"

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Yes, I agree. Bing puts heavy emphasis on title, domain name, url permalink, and longevity on the Web. It can't seem to sort out the really popular sites yet, from those that may not be as popular. I am working with competitive keywords such as TV Links, Movie Links, Links, Best TV Links, etc., and I do much better on Bing than I do on Google, because, I think, Google has a much better handle on real traffic.

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well, whatever MS says its still the same old live/msn re-branded. Tc tc .. why don't they steal some algo from G and get this engine up, they have the money and the technology! Weird right?
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Hi,

I don't think it is a matter of stealing algos. I think, it is the data warehouse of information, that is driving Google, that makes the big difference. At one time, Google has pretty simplistic info, regarding "links" between sites. They differentiated their SE by using links to vote on sites. However, now, they are far, far, far more sophisticated than that, since they can tap into their vast warehouse of info, derived from their webmaster products, the most important one being Analytics. How, is MS, going to harvest equivalent info? I don't see how they can do it. If they cannot, then they cannot achieve comparable search results - and more importantly, they cannot place ads as well as Google can.

So, instead, it seems like, MS is concentrating on some verticals with potentially strong ad revenue. It probably will not work, since it requires a major overhaul in user behavior, but it may do enough to slow Google down, until some technological angle can be worked out, that will not rely so heavily on Web traffic input, into the algos.

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I don't think it is a matter of stealing algos. I think, it is the data warehouse of information, that is driving Google, that makes the big difference.

Which is why there is no competition for Google in the near future. They've established themselves as the Authority in Search. Not only that, they've become a sub-conscious Brand in the process.

Let's face it, Google is the Internet. Every other search engine is 2nd or 3rd or 4th tier and always will be. Even if Binghoo were to join forces, they would still be a 2nd tier SE. If you were to run one of me Peer's Quality Score on Google vs Yahoo! vs Bing vs Ask, you'd see a spread between 1 and 2 that at this point cannot be touched. Even if the 9 SEs (2nd, 3rd, 4th tier) below were to combine, they still couldn't touch Google, not even close. It's a done deal. Google is the Internet.

So, where does that leave us? Search mashups. Local focus. Advanced features. Wow UIs. Social Media. There is still plenty of room for growth and micro-levels are the in-thing. I believe the future lies at the local levels. The Internet is too big for any one resource. Google may become the primary API that the others use in the future. No other commercial entity has the type of computing and brain power that Google have. Why even try to compete?

If Google have their way, they'll have a Data Center on the Moon before you know it. Maybe even Mars. :)

I like Bing! Even though it has some faults, it is a solid contender in the 2nd Tier Search category. Yahoo! and Ask may want to be concerned with their market shares. While Google is taking 1% here and there, the others are battling it out for the leftovers. Every .01% counts at this point to establish a solid 2nd tier position. Bada Bing, Bada Boom!

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Yes, I would agree, that for the foreseeable future, Google has a lock on generalized search engines. This may extend for a decade or more.

Hopefully, there is a market for vertical search engines (e.g. Kayak). I have a terrific domain that is begging for one or more great vertical search engines. If anyone knows where people discuss research projects on search engines, please let me know, because I am hunting for development projects to partner with.

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