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Fish_Texas

12:25 am on Aug 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Like many, 80% of my pages went from top 10 on MSN to page 3.
Like many I scrambled to see WHAT I WAS DOING WRONG.

Until I stopped looking for my pages and really started looking at the results I was getting for my keywords...NOT EVEN CLOSE. Little to No relevance.
Looking for blue widgets in North Shores Florida...getting used car lots in North Chicago, or pet grooming in North Carolina.

So, if you've lost pages or placement...relax (it's probably not your site) and wait for the bugs to get worked out.

Surely MSN is working on this...

If you are experiencing the same or have comments, please post.
I'd like to know it's not just me... :-) Fish

honestman

5:49 pm on Aug 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

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"spam is often about excess."

I agree, but what constitutes excess when one has a very content-heavy site and wishes to reinforce certain keywords for purposes of brand identity?

If hundreds of major sites have reviewed a particular site and found it to be of incredible use despite what might be seen in normal discourse as a redundant use of language, why should a site be totally banned? If it is good enough to be listed by all the Ivy League schools, and by most major portals and newspaper/magazines why is it not good enough for MSN?

I understand deducting points, but a total ban for an excellent resource due to "keyword density?" That seems really excessive. Just as with all research (and the Internet shines most as a research tool), any prejudice against core information in favor or "new information" would seem counter-intuitive. Newton and Einstein's respective theories are just as relevant today (no matter how shaky some of their data was)...

Thanks,

- Greg

msndude

10:07 pm on Aug 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

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No one is talking about a "total ban" here -- just some recent changes that tend to demote (but not remove) "spammy-looking" pages. If your site has disappeared completely, it's not because of any recent update of ours. There is a blacklist, of course, but that process hasn't changed lately.

If you think your site has been blacklisted, send e-mail to webspam at microsoft.com. Be sure to do a "url:" query first though -- just to make sure your page really is gone.

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godspeed

4:04 pm on Aug 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

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msndude, Where is the best place to report multiple spam sites?

I see some of the problems have been fixed msndude, and now I want to report some spam sites that are showing up.

zeus

1:03 am on Aug 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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One thing I would like to know, if a american site is placed good on A LOT of foreign MSN results, like in Asia, should I let everything as it is or should I change stuff, to get ranking back on msn.com

Carnak

5:03 pm on Aug 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I have followed this discussion closely and made some slight changes in KW density, revised some content, etc. based on posted suggestions.

You guys were right on the money - rankings getting back to norm.

Fish, twebdonny, RichTC and msndude - thanks for the guidance.

msndude

7:42 pm on Aug 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Carnak: Very glad to hear it. Many people have reported this to me privately as well. A few folks, though, have had a harder time with it, and we're studying a couple of those.

Zeus: If you want to do well in the US, I suggest you focus on the US. I'm not sure why you think a site that ranks well in Japan should also rank well in the US.

godspeed: Send reports to webspam at microsoft.com. It's one-stop-shopping to complain about how we have unfairly blacklisted your site as well as to complain about all the spam sites we didn't blacklist. In fact, it's pretty common to see both in the same message. :-)

Fish_Texas

8:22 pm on Aug 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Carnak...Glad it worked for you. After a little KW tweek ALL our pages are back to normal. :-)

MSNDude...Thanks for the tips you were able to give. I for one appreciate it.
Fish Texas

msndude

8:49 pm on Aug 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Fish: I'm glad to hear that. We had believed that most "false positives" (good pages that the net thought were bad) would be very close to the border and thus easily fixed with a few tweaks, while the genuinely bad pages are so bad that small tweaks wouldn't help them.

quotations

4:55 pm on Aug 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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msndude.

Are you finding that (above - "easily fixed with a few tweaks") not true in some cases?

The example I provided had to have all of the main page content ripped out and went from 32K to 6K before it came back into search.MSN.com results.

It was always there in the foreign results, just filtered out of US results.

I had to cut another page down from 25K to 3K before it got listed back in US msn results.

twebdonny

6:11 pm on Aug 29, 2006 (gmt 0)



Question, anyone been fresh cached lately? Our last cache
date shows Aug 21, and is completely blank for our
index page.

msndude

7:39 pm on Aug 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Quotations: Nothing works in all cases. We're looking at the example you sent us. That's the most I can say right now. Wish I had something better to tell you.

crobb305

4:54 pm on Aug 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Question, anyone been fresh cached lately? Our last cache
date shows Aug 21, and is completely blank for our
index page.

I, too, am very hopeful that increased crawling/caching will begin soon. This is very big concern for many folks.

quotations

5:33 pm on Aug 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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We are mostly seeing August 19 today.

quotations

5:35 pm on Aug 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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msndude,

Thanks for what you do tell us and the fixes that do get put in place.

I was tired of only getting msn traffic in the middle of the night from India and Singapore and it is nice to be getting some of the sites back in the US index.

(edit) - [You know what I mean. They were in the index, just filtered out of US results. Our State is a bit different but is is still in the United States.]

ashear

7:26 pm on Aug 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

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MSNdude, can you give us an idea on when the crawling problems will be addressed?

All of my sites have less than 5% of the content indexed. As well as my parent company. With 3 totally different code bases and platforms.

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