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Penguin 2.1 Launched; October 4, 2013

     
10:10 pm on Oct 4, 2013 (gmt 0)

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Tweet from Matt:

Penguin 2.1 launching today. Affects ~1% of searches to a noticeable degree.
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Brace for impact...
For the moment nothing, but I've submitted a large disavow file 2 weeks ago. I hope it helps...
7:13 am on Oct 5, 2013 (gmt 0)

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my site has gone down considerably and now coming on 200+ with some other internal page url.

It is really messed up right now.

Does anyone know, what is the cause of the impact?
7:46 am on Oct 5, 2013 (gmt 0)

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I've been hit hardly today by Google...
I was good for long time, writing good articles and after a half a year getting some 50 visitors from google search, and many articles on first page....
yesterday - 50 ; Today - 5 so far...:(
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Our site dropped sitewide.yesterday. We've just had a manual penalty revoked and now this.
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I think the rate of updates google is pushing out is to fast and their data centres and servers canít keep up as by the time they have all been updated with the last change two more are already rolling out. I typically see 1,2 different SERP results per day but now its typically 3-4 on each page refresh, very unstable and impossible for anyone to rely on any position day to day
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We have one new client that has been hit by this. the client had 27,000 links; majority of which are theme sponsorships created by the previous SEO. The annoying thing is that we did a Disavow and removal attempt in end of August when they came on board with us as pre-emptive action. Since then we managed to reduce the number of links to 23,000 but it seems it was too little too late.
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i've witnessed somewhat of a partial recovery and that's from someone who has taken the bullet since April 2012. This is for a domain keyword domain that was king in its niche since 2004. When I mean recovery I don't mean that I got back my original rankings back but at least I've recovered some long tail traffic. (again not back to my prior rankings)

I've done a lot to recover and didn't give up - cleaned the link profile, disavowed links and even got a manual penalty lifted.
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I've done a lot to recover and didn't give up - cleaned the link profile, disavowed links and even got a manual penalty lifted.

If you disavowed a lot of backlinks (or got them removed), then your site is no longer getting any PR "juice" (rankings boost) from those backlinks. So without the boost from those backlinks, your rankings most likely won't return to their previous high levels even if the site has been fully released from Penguin. In order to completely regain your previous rankings, the site will need to acquire enough new backlinks to make up for those that were disavowed or removed.
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This is one of those times when I'm glad I don't belong to the One Percent.
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Hit mine and my brothers business quite hard after submitting a Disavow list yesterday which must of been implemented with this update, lost all our page 1 rankings.

I deleted the file today in a blind panic, any idea how long it takes to recover?

It was strange as the Disavow list contained carefully researched domains that were flagged as spammy and full of scraped and duplicate content but it appears that some of them must of been giving us decent PR juice to affect the rankings.
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my web-site have also been hit by google quite badly - about 40 visitors yesterday and today - just 1!
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It takes months after you submit the disavow tool, in order to recalculate and recrawl all the pages so... we are talking months for a possible recovery ;(

At least you know what hit you. I'm still in the dark with 4th September update ;(
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I never have been a spammer, the site is pretty clean and in google developers it has 61 site linking in, most of them are pretty decent, some may be added by others, but nothing extraordinary to be hit so badly...:(
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one thing to remember with these updates is its never stable and give it a few days and further changes will slip in..I've had a couple of sites hit this time round but we'll see what happens next week
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Two sites of mine have re-appeared in fairly good positions after two years in the wilderness caused by, I assume, the sort of links that in those days were viewed as quite normal but nowadays are condemned as spammy. I never have used, and never will use, the disavow tool. If I had, would they have still returned, I wonder...............
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This is one of those times when I'm glad I don't belong to the One Percent.

One percent ( 1% ) of search results is not likely to be the same as one percent of sites and webmasters. Who knows what Google's measurements mean without detailed explanation, but the overall disruptive impact would seem far greater.
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Our site was hit hard by Penguin 1. We lost 70% of our traffic. We made a number of changes and improvements in the past 16 months. I am happy to say that on Friday we regained most of our rankings. We are not as high as we once were but close. Thanks to this update!
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We had an 18.5% week-over-week jump in Google referrals yesterday, which is almost exactly the same as our loss immediately after the May "phantom update." (Normally, we see a slow but steady decline from week to week at this time of year.)
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Our site was hit hard by Penguin 1. We lost 70% of our traffic. We made a number of changes and improvements in the past 16 months. I am happy to say that on Friday we regained most of our rankings. We are not as high as we once were but close. Thanks to this update!


Same here :D

What did you do sixsigmaus? Anything, nothing?
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Ok, here my first assessment over 25 estates, 20 US/english and 5 German:

Fresher sites got devalued, older sites did not change a bit in traffic.

Is the first thing that I see, if I put all 25 estates over each other. One particular thing shows: There have been 20% + changes in traffic a few days EARLIER to the roll out.

E.g.: one German site had 5 times the traffic on the 3rd of October. Now that could be the national holiday or the roll-out.

One very new site, which went live with 20 pages and some articles around security jumped up ridiculously after start and is gone virtually (+100 positions) right now.

That is all too much mambo jumbo for me and currently I will stick with

. unique content (extreme about that now)
. longer, more detailed texts around long tail keywords
. steady link development velocity over months
. schema.org where possible

in my eCommerce area!

Cheers,
P!
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Excellent post, pontifex.

If someone else has more detailed observations, please do share.
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We lost 70% of our traffic. We made a number of changes and improvements in the past 16 months.

@sixsigmaus & Jez123 - could you provide some details which would be helpful for members?
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Authority site in competitive vertical which attracts a LOT of link spam. Originally hit with version 1, no change in version 2. Submitted a large disavow file to deal with the link spam around 6 weeks ago. With this latest update, saw a 10% hit for approx 48 hours and then the traffic snapped back, almost like a switch was turned back on.

I'm assuming it's something to do with the disavow file being processed. Just not sure yet if the drop or the recovery was a result of the disavow.

Has anyone else seen such strong bounce back from a penguin update before?
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With this latest update, saw a 10% hit for approx 48 hours and then the traffic snapped back, almost like a switch was turned back on.

Are you talking about 10% drop being reversed or about your traffic returning to the traffic level prior being hit with Penguin version 1?
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@aakk9999 10% hit has been reversed, traffic is pretty much back to where it was last week.
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Most of the keywords ranked on top 1st and 2nd page.I am following all the quality rules of Google.But, unfortunately, After this update, they have shifted to 12th page.How to recover from this update ?
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Just not sure yet if the drop or the recovery was a result of the disavow.

@aquanaut - for the disavow to take effect, I understand that Google would need to crawl that data and then adjust it's influence on your site. Somehow, I doubt if enough time has elapsed, but I could be wrong.

But movement does seem to indicate some thresholds are in play. Removing links could cause a drop, as part of the remedial works. What percentage of links did you cull? And what's the quality of those remaining?
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How to recover from this update? :((
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My top site has never been hit by Penguin, but since the 4th I've seen a 34% increase in the amount of Google referrals. With the limited amount of keyword data I'm still getting from my stats program, it looks like I'm getting more long tail keyphrases and some keyphrases I've never seen before. I'm also noticing that suddenly Google's rejecting all my meta descriptions and picking their own snippets again... no idea why, and this could be a temp glitch.

As far as I've been able to tell, this site has never been penalized by anything. However, it's impossible to be sure - a modest drop of 10% or so could easily go unnoticed since search volume naturally fluctuates all the time with this site due to user behavior.
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