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DS: Talking about Panda, says that he’s getting a ton of emails from people who say that scraper sites are now outranking them after Panda.
MC: A guy on my team working on that issue. A change has been approved that should help with that issue. We’re continuing to iterate on Panda. The algorithm change originated in search quality, not the web spam team.
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DS: Has it changed enough that some people have recovered? Or is it too soon?
MC: The general rule is to push stuff out and then find additional signals to help differentiate on the spectrum. We haven’t done any pushes that would directly pull things back. We have recomputed data that might have impacted some sites. There’s one change that might affect sites and pull things back.
DS: You guys made this post with 22 questions, but it sounds like you’re saying even if you’ve done that, it wouldn’t have helped yet?
MC: It could help as we recompute data. Matt goes on to say that Panda 2.2 has been approved but hasn’t rolled out yet.
DS: Reads an audience question – is site usability being considered as more of a factor?
MC: Panda isn’t directly targeted at usability, but it’s a key part of making a site that people like. Pay attention to it because it’s a good practice, not because Google says so.
Matt mentions 'pull back' but that's nonsense and very disingenuous of him
So it's clear to me that this is a penalty
[edited by: scooterdude at 2:05 pm (utc) on Jun 8, 2011]
It took them 3+ months to admit it.
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"Pull back" in this context appears to mean "reduce the scope" of Panda. It looks like they are improving the specificity [en.wikipedia.org] of the algo.
In other words, 2.2 will include a change that might return SOME sites to previous rankings. This is NOT a reversal of a penalty, it is a redefinition of the scope of competence of the algo.
I feel for people who have devoted dozens or even hundreds of hours in an effort to restore their websites after the Panda slaughter. It looks like some or even much of that may have been in vain. Many of the veterans at this venue gave very good advice right from the git-go ~ "sit tight, let it play out, and don't over react". I've not recovered, but on the other hand, I haven't wasted days/weeks of my life either. Glad I listened to them.
I feel for people who have devoted dozens or even hundreds of hours in an effort to restore their websites after the Panda slaughter. It looks like some or even much of that may have been in vain.
As far as my SEO experience - I stick to the basics. Good quality pages that validate. I let the links come on their own.
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If it was just WebmasterWorld, I might say it's relativism, but I've read articles in NYT, and Washington Post indicating Google's problems with the Panda roll-out. That's what bothers me with "new" Google... The corporatism, and typical American business like failure to recognize and react to problems.@ascensions,
When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
[edited by: Sgt_Kickaxe at 4:06 pm (utc) on Jun 8, 2011]
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Serious MC spam team and quality team and Adsense team need to SIT DOWN TOGETHER AND TALK.
I am hoping that some of these reports are actually making their way to actual eyeballs in the Google Spam team. I would encourage everyone to keep sending out spam reports where they see fit.
My guess is that Google could run this new Panda algorithm at any time, which would effectively lift penalties (or the penalty-like element of Panda) for sites that have been hit.
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I thought it was just a (significant) change to the algorithm. I don't understand the concept of it being "run." I believe Matt said that if you made changes to your site, then they would be noticed the next time your site was crawled by googlebot and the index changes would take place as they normally do.
I feel for people who have devoted dozens or even hundreds of hours in an effort to restore their websites after the Panda slaughter. It looks like some or even much of that may have been in vain.
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dazzlindonna wrote:
n addition, we know there have been a couple of new Panda rollouts since the first, but they seemed to only trap more sites, rather than re-evaluate the ones already snared. We are all waiting for that "re-evaluation" Panda to be run. Not sure it ever will be.