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Dec 7 - sudden drop in rankings

Anyone experiencing the same thing today?

     

moehits

8:57 pm on Dec 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I have a site that yesterday ranked very high for many terms, today it is nowhere for any of them.

Things I'm seeing that changed, ...

In google sitemaps, it's saying many pages have low pagerank, or many pages have not been assigned pagerank yet, but the visible PR is very high across the site.

It has many high quality links, pr5 across the whole site.

The allinanchor searches used to show the site ranking high, now it is nowwhere for those searches.

cyclic

6:02 pm on Dec 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

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If this is old data showing and your original data is fairly new, would this explain why most new data has just gone, yet is still showing in the site index?

dazzlindonna

6:15 pm on Dec 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

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the thing is WHY do they do it when the holliday shopping season as at its PEAK.

My opinion only of course, but I honestly think they don't realize all the ramifications. For example, if I were only looking at a subset of results based on 90% of my sites, I'd think nothing had been affected. It is only because I know what changes I've made in the recent past, and have watched the affect during each of these data refreshes over the last month, that lets me see when they are using old data and when they have the updated data. But if you're Google, and all you are looking at is a random sampling of results, you may not even realize that anything is off. So, to them, it could be a case of "why not do it during the peak of the holiday season...since it's not really affecting much". But of course, in some instances, it's affecting a great deal.

What bothers me most, is my gut feeling, that they don't even realize that old data gets pushed now and then. Gut feeling only of course, but one that I just can't shake.

goodwin

10:02 pm on Dec 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Is it getting better for you guys?

Here it's the same. We've lost 1/3 of Google traffic...

steveb

10:55 pm on Dec 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I don't know why anyone would think new/old data is relevant, other than obviously replacing a page cached in November with a supplemental cache from August is just lame search engineering.

Google has been doing data refreshes for at least 15 months, and they haven't ever done one that wasn't very poorly done, with large amounts of incomprensible errors. This time it seems lots of things have been randomly dropped.

Analyzing it beyond "Google continues to suck as a search engine" is probably fruitless.

dazzlindonna

11:04 pm on Dec 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

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can't really argue with that one, steveb. that's just about how i'm feeling about it right about now.

stevexyz

11:09 pm on Dec 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

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It would be interesting to know if there is a correlation between suicide rates and Google's slap dash God like (more apropriate would be devil like) changes in SERPS explained as data refreshes - they love to do this before Xmas which probably increases the rate. I don't think anyone knows what to do any more.....I even see people panicking because they go UP in the SERPS as they are petrified this may thereafter result in a sandbox filter being applied.

steveb

11:32 pm on Dec 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

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The do them every month, so I don't see what Christmas has to do with anything.

frakilk

11:37 pm on Dec 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Would it be correct in saying that this data refresh is one of the worst for webmaster anxiety this whole year? I can't remember an outcry like this in months. I too have been affected like so many with rankings slipping by 100s of place for no apparent reason. Some of the crap that I am seeing rank above my site makes me sick to my stomach. When I think about the hours poured into my site compared to the obvious lack of hours given to looking after the others I can't help but think Google is playing a cruel joke.

Sorry for the rant :/

stevexyz

11:38 pm on Dec 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

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You are quite correct....they do take place every month...Just seems that this time around there has been a far larger effect than in previous months this year and its just before Xmas.

sailorjwd

11:50 pm on Dec 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I see wikipedia taking over in many top 3-5 slots in my niche. Who the heck is going to find something to buy there or a consultant to hire.

When I search for 'Widget Building Consultant' I don't want to see wiki results.

hett1618

11:59 pm on Dec 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I'm relatively new to this and this is the first time I've been negatively affected by one of Google's "actions".

If this is in fact a data refresh and not some sort of penalty, will our places in the SERPs be restored before too long, or is this the way their search results will remain until Google's next data refresh?

Put another way, how can we get our rankings restored?

mattg3

12:06 am on Dec 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

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These constant updates are:

useless

1.) there is no performance measure to work to. How can a basically unchanged site vary constantly?
2.) Given there is no stable preformance measure, there is no point in doing anything really.
3.) User experience is equally useless as one does not know how traffic variations are caused within this Google update noise.

chewy

12:52 am on Dec 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

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on some of the newer data centers I'm now seeing at least 1 of my "missing terms" cropping up.

One in particular is tagged with a?=gclidXYC_etc_etc URL extension and then has the friendly "Supplemental Result" tag.

Maybe this is progress - but still this doesn't look particularly good.

MattCutts

5:14 am on Dec 11, 2006 (gmt 0)



Hey folks, I asked around and I don't believe anything new went out Dec. 7th, or the few days before that.

dazzlindonna

5:32 am on Dec 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Heh, and I was worried that they didn't know about old data getting pushed. Heck, they don't even know that ANY data was pushed. Scary! LOL. Ummm...Google...perhaps your computers have taken over and are doing things on their own? Ya might wanna check on that. :)
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