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Possible Shift in Google-Webmasters Communication Policy!

Have Googlers stopped announcing updates and posting weather reports?

   
7:00 am on Jul 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hi Folks,

I have noticed in recent months a remarkable shift in the way Google employees communicate with the webmasters communities.

For one reason or the other the Googlers have stopped posting weather reports about the new infrastructure. No more posts explaining critical changes on the serps. No more talking about specific DCs as they use to do. No more chat when it comes to Google serps and possible changes which are so clear and obvious to even novice webmasters. The only thing we have been hearing is the famous "Data Refresh".

Of course, one of the reasons for the shift in Google's communication policy mightbe the continuous trouble the Googles are into since the deploy of BigDaddy.. "if you have no good news..keep quite".

If its true that the Googlers have decided not to talk to us anymore about the serps, DCs and possible filters, algo changes and announcing possible updates. Do those same Googlers deserve to be invited anymore to the webmasters conferences and meetings, for example?

What will be the consequences of Google shift in Google-Webmasters communication policy?

Many thanks in advance for your contributions to the thread.

8:41 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)



Maybe a name for this update would "collateral damage".

I think a positive move on behalf of the management of WebmasterWorld would be to publish the IP addresses of its members ... lets see who we're talking to.

All the Best

Col :-)

8:46 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Googleguy -

Many people today said their sites came back from the June 27th changes. Mine didn't, but it does have decent results on 72.14.207.104 - you said that won't be finished until the end of summer. Why did some people come back on all datacenters and some of us are only on 72.14.207.104?

8:52 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Hey GG,

hear a lot more about specific data centers

Are the numbered datacenters even relevant anymore? From what I can see, the so-called "micro-filters" do not display any of the "traditional" datacenter results anyways.

Are you saying that 72.14.207.104 will be the "base" infrastructure in which the micro-filtered results will be applied to or even that these micro-filtered results are simply a stop-gap for the time being?

8:59 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)



I read in the tea leaves that "everything will be alright and that as long as we adhere to Google rules, we will reap rewards". Unfortunately, I still smell spam in the index ...

Keep the faith

Col :-)

9:16 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

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I read in the tea leaves that "everything will be alright and that as long as we adhere to Google rules, we will reap rewards". Unfortunately, I still smell spam in the index ...

Tell me about it. Yesterday I was doing some research for a school business project and was looking for market share information on a well known company and almost every result was an MFA or link directory.
9:26 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Good evening GoogleGuy

Thanks for taking the time to visit the thread and post your comments (just like the good old days ;-)). Much appreciated.

You asked:

"Let me turn it around: how could we do better? It sounds like you'd like to hear a lot more about specific data centers, for example."

Because we have had excellent Google-Webmasters communications in the past where you use to communicate with us (weather reports, answering questions, Q&A sessions etc..), on our webmasters platforms, as WebmasterWorld forums (especially forum 30), I wish to ask you kindly to continue on that successful path. Of course it would be also of great value and highly appreciated to see the other Googlers friends as Adam and Vanessa visiting us here at WebmasterWorld forums and contribute as often as they can.

Google's blogs and Matt's blog are great additional channels of communications with webmasters. But the inherited weakness of blogs is that they are designed mostly for one-way communications which don't allow much discussion.

Regarding the datacenters. You use to mention for us in the past during updates specific DCs to keep an eye on in order to allow us to follow developments. That has been missing lately. Of course new infrastructure weather reports are long time no see too.

I see the other kind fellow members have already " bombarded" you with questions that I would have asked too ;-)

Once again.. thanks a bunch GG for visiting us and look forward to the pleasure of seeing you among us again.

9:29 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Wow, you all have to remember that for every site that fell, there were sites that gained as well. If your site fell, check it. When itís perfect email it to googleguy and ask him why...

But, in saying that your site better be in order, because I guarantee that he will find the issue almost immediately weather it would be bad coding, questionable links, content that is not unique, bad Metaís etc....

For your newer members, do not feel like help is not out there for you, if your site fell, sticky some of us old timers who are still on the top some urls. There are quite a few of us out here whose sites have ranked good and have not been affected by data refreshes. Feel free to ask us for advice.... What you do with the advice is up to you, but never be afraid to ask.

9:33 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Point taken, reseller. It's tough to find the time to comment/respond everywhere I'd like to. I think part of the solution has to be ramping up more people who can answer some questions.

I do think that we'll be discussing data centers more toward the end of the summer, if I had to guess.

9:36 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

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trinorthlighting:

Problem is, you don't know the answers either.

Stop telling people to "check their sites" like they don't know what they are doing. People are sick and tired of hearing it when the site in question has ranked high for years and its not "bad coding".

For every site that fell other have agained? Yeah the domains with 5 billion spam pages indexed.

[edited by: gcc_llc at 9:37 pm (utc) on July 27, 2006]

9:37 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Wow, you all have to remember that for every site that fell, there were sites that gained as well. If your site fell, check it. When itís perfect email it to googleguy and ask him why...
But, in saying that your site better be in order, because I guarantee that he will find the issue almost immediately weather it would be bad coding, questionable links, content that is not unique, bad Metaís etc....

You're a funny guy. Do you actually believe any of the stuff you're saying? Oh...and before I forget...since you seem to be so knowledgable...what's Googleguy's email address?

9:37 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Thanks GG

The more Googlers answering our questions the better.

Looking forward for more discussion of DCs ;-)

Good night and God bless.

9:46 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Actually, GoogleGuy, I don't suppose you could set up one of your special email addresses for sites affected by the June 27th issues could you? That would be very much appreciated.

We have been told, for example, that our site has not triggered any kind of Spam filter and yet, since the 27th June, most of our formerly high-ranking pages now rank below foreign-language pages, foreign-country pages, and even supplemental pages.

9:55 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member googleguy is a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



Are you saying that 72.14.207.104 will be the "base" infrastructure in which the micro-filtered results will be applied to or even that these micro-filtered results are simply a stop-gap for the time being?

whitenight, 72.14.207.104 has some newer infrastructure that makes site: queries more accurate, and in general that infrastructure also improves results for other queries too. But the infrastructure at 72.14.207.104 is orthogonal/independent of many other changes.

Part of the trouble is that what some of this infrastructure does is hard to describe without getting into a really detailed understanding of our search architecture. But I'll try to answer questions how I can.

reseller, I'm coming back to this notion of how to get problem reports. WebmasterWorld isn't ideal because we can't discuss specifics. A blog isn't ideal either because one person can't field all the requests, and some people don't want to talk specifics in front of the rest of the web. Someone mentioned reporting problems in Sitemaps, which might be interesting.

9:57 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Then set an up an email address.
9:59 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Maybe instead of sitemaps have an individual separate entity cover those requests. I do not use sitemaps and do not have any intention do do that :(
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