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MSN seems to be in more flux than any of the engines. I experienced a drop in count using the site: command, but that seemed to have corrected an overstatement. In other words, I've got roughly 1,000 pages but MSN used to show 3,500. It now shows around 1,000 pages.
To answer your question, my index page is still showing on MSN. And spidering is pretty aggressive too.
They can't even be found by site: or typing the actual url in.
While MSN isn't a huge traffic provider for me I need all I can get since Google is having the duplicate url issue still for that site. (www and non www, 301'd months ago and no change in serp, no terms back.)
Searching "my site name" with quotes brings up 12,967 results, none of which are my site, from what I can see it's mostly people linking to me.
This has me wondering if there really is something I've done wrong... maybe a server issue? 301 problems? Tripped a filter? I've racked my brain to find the answer and am still coming up blank.
Did yours disapear on the same day?
MSN is still spidering fine for me, has it been crawling your site regularly to?
I hope that this is only a technical issue from MSN, because like I wrote, it happened earlier also and the page came back.
It scared me only that today it happened with another page also.
All of a sudden - we are gone! I can't find our urls for the life of me. We did not change anything on the site for several months.
I don't even know how to find out if a competitior did something or what?
Pages are falling off for no reason. On using the site command it returns 650 pages which is less than 1% of the sites content.
I noticed that some pages return the page title with the following in the description field rather than the meta description on the page:-
On watching the recent video clip of the two msn guys talking about the search engine learning from itself i do wonder if the have a major problem with this search facility.
I would say they are trying to be smart by reading a sites pages in a dfferent browser and it clearly doesnt work - rather than trying to be cleaver they should try and get the basic search right first - such as deep indexing of websites for a start
In this example msn clearly does not cash all of the sites pages despite the site being an established site and authority with thousands of backlinks nor does the bot fully index the site when it visits.
On the face of it i would say that the site has triggered some sort of filter and thats why its a)not deep spidering the site and b) not indexing the pages and c) removing pages it allready has in its index - whats causing this im clueless of!
Currently based on other sites we work on i would say that if you knock together a thin site low on content, with keyword domain name you will rank top for that keyword very easily. In one example a site with one page but loads of links to it ranks high in an extreamly sought after sector.
All in all, its still early days for the search but i think its got serious problems and issues that need fixing.
joined:May 31, 2004
Is this text on your page? Are you doing user agent sniffing (JS or server-side), and what happens if the UA string doesn't meet your requirements?
Never had a problem with this in MSN. May relate to WhoIs data or DMOZ. A few said it could relate to those who advertise with Adwords but I haven't seen much feedback on that.
Have not heard back since then - I guess they are working on the problem. It clearly is a problem because most of us did not change anything and were doing well for our keywords - and then - Presto....we're Gone.
I ran a ranking report for the first 1000 search results and could not find any of my urls for any of hundreds of keywords in MSN Search - so I know something is definately wrong. In fact, I sent MSN the ranking reports I took on December 2nd, when it last looked normal and I prepared a monthly report for my client, and January 1st. My January 1st report was empty...I had nothing. We went into the Phamtom Zone....along with a bunch of other people's sites...and we don't even know why.
There is a new cache from yesterday for my site.
This is the second time (at least) this has happened for my site.
My site has 1000's of unique pages of content. Quality content in my opining.
The other sites ranking for this keyword ar mostly subdomains with little to no unique conotent...I have noticed that they never seem to dissapear like my site... don't know if that means anything.
I do keep my whois info private, and am starting to wonder if that's doing more harm than good. I just got tired of phone calls at all hours from advertisers wanting adspace. Often they seemed to forget to check the difference in timezone.
[mini-rant totally off topic] Why in the world do companies phone if I clearly state on my sites that I do not accept calls, don't list my phone number and give them a convenient contact form instead. Grr. Drives me nuts.[end rant.. feeling better]
joined:May 31, 2004
My index is the same with or without www and no redirects cause the sites been live for eight years with no problems ever in other search engines so...
do you have new filters giving me a dupe penalty?
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My company launched 2 new sites and even though I used to like MSN a lot I find ridiculous to see these 2 sites disapearing even while typing the unique domain name itself.
>>>MSNdude: Are you guys implementing new filters, for example those sites mentioned above have quite a few 'empty' pages generated by a CMS for the future navigation so they are all having the same content (or almost)waiting for copywriters to do the job - Could MSN penalize for that? Because even Google picked them up pretty well.
Hopefully MSN will keep one of its main advantage over Google and Yahoo (oohhh I hate Yahoo :) ) - Fast indexing is sooooo great, no duplicate issues, no 302 issues, no index page issue....until recently...
It has links from numerous academic sites and the BBC. It has no dubious outbound links. It uses no dubious techniques.
It seems a shame that the very necessary fight against spam is doing so much collateral damage.