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2:51 pm on Dec 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Any help on some code/program to get my pop-ups working again?

I have seen some site that are working and the pop-ups are popping.

4:08 pm on Dec 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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and?) show what u have and describe what u want to get)?
6:29 pm on Dec 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I want a pop-up that works even if AOL 9a, etc has the pop-up blocker on...
6:57 pm on Dec 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It may be wise for you to understand that people who have popup blockers don't want to see your popups. That's why they have the popup blocker in the first place. Is it really a good idea to try and force something on someone who has already specifically said they do not want it?
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Wow, Lance. You do realize that this attitude of yours will severely limit your employment opportunities in the government sector?

That aside, Lance's point can be taken even further: What if JavaScript is turned off at the client (the ultimate popup blocker)? You really shouldn't rely on popups, in any case.

The popup blockers are not supposed to prevent requested (i.e. a clicked link) windows from opening and such a link can have target="_blank" (depending on your DTD) to backup the JavaScript window opener (just return false from your JavaScript to prevent default link action).

From what I've seen, while it is possible to get around some blockers, you can't beat 'em all, so what's the point?

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Well, Lance, then they should not come to my sites. I use cookies and they ONLY get ONE pop per 24 hours.

The pop-up blockers are automatic now with AOL - so who made that choice - AOL or the consumer.

I am out to make money - my pop-ups are very benign compared to the porno kings out there.

Now, can anyone give me any ideas?

(BTW, pop-up blockers also block clicked JS - which is a huge pain for newbies.)

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Well service pack 2 with IE for XP also blocks pop ups. As do the Yahoo and Google toolbars. People don't like them!
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you could always force people to have javascript enable ofcourse, but I would consider that to be a bad development choice
1:12 pm on Dec 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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(BTW, pop-up blockers also block clicked JS - which is a huge pain for newbies.)

But not normally <a href="..." target="_blank"> (clicked non-JS). This type of pop-up normally works, but be warned that some browsers will still ignore the _blank information and open the 'pop-up' in the main page if pop-up blocking is switched on.

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Well, Lance, then they should not come to my sites. I use cookies and they ONLY get ONE pop per 24 hours.

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I am out to make money - my pop-ups are very benign compared to the porno kings out there.

Oh, WebChicken, let me assure you that would be the case.

I don't frequent restaurants that give bad service or electronics vendors that lie to you to make the sale and then tell you "that's not how it works" when you try to use the extended warranty you bought. I also don't patronize websites that behave badly. And in this day and age, popups are considered by most people to be bad behavior. Why do you think everyone uses popup blockers? I think just maybe you are missing a "hint".

The pop-up blockers are automatic now with AOL - so who made that choice - AOL or the consumer.

AOL is providing a service that the consumer asked for. And though I'm not familiar with AOL, I expect the consumer could turn it off if they choose to. I also expect that not too many consumers do. Perhaps this is another "hint".

...my pop-ups are very benign...

That is not your call to make. Your popups are not benign, they are intrusive. They are intrusive because they are being forced somewhere they are not wanted.

Now, can anyone give me any ideas?

Not likely...

The majority of the users here are professionals who strive to produce websites that users want visit and enjoy using.

WebChicken; perhaps you should rethink the question. Perhaps there is a better, more "professional" way for you to provide the information to your users.

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you could always cloak heavily and divert every site visitor to a single landing page.

On that page, note that your site sets a cookie, and uses one popup per day, which is far far more benign than what one would face at a porno site after all, but the vast poppyeyed conspiracy at work on the net is trying to starve you out, brainwashing folks into avoiding the carefully chosen popups on your site,or worse yet, deceiving viewers into not even realizing popups stillexist due todefault settings - how horrid is that!

This page could advise all visitors how to alter their settings to view the popup, and suggest they click on the real site entrance link once they are ready or they could always select what's behind door number 2, the 'hey, get lost iffin you don't want to see one measly popup - cause hey, I gotta eat too and bandwidth ain't free ya know' link.

In this way, the traffic that might of converted, except for their viewpoint about hating popups, will consume only minimum bandwidth and your logs won't be clogged with useless references.

Yeah, that might just work.

1:53 pm on Dec 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Ideas? Well, a hidden iframe can be made to behave very much like a popup. If it is absolutely positioned, it can be placed anywhere on the page, then just toggle its visibility. If you want to simulate browser chrome, place the iframe in a hidden/visible div and use graphics to get the chrome effect.
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Lance - guess the reason you are unemployed is that you do not understand business. Or making money. My sites make a lot of money.

Well, I have found one site that has a pop that works with AOL9a. Pretty cool.

Thanks for all the "help"...

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And when AOL9b comes out, you can be pretty sure it will be back to the drawing board. Popup blocking is a footrace and the browser has the advantage; it sets the course.

By the way, denigrating others because they do not share your point of view is generally considered poor form and a reflection of a character defect, unless you are in talk radio.

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<< denigrating others because they do not share your point of view is generally considered poor form and a reflection of a character defect, unless you are in talk radio.<<

And YOU just did it. LOL. Love it...

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not sure if this is exactly what you're looking for, but the current generation of pop-up blockers don't catch it. i think of it more as a pop-over...

note, though, that this will really tick off people who have pop-up blockers installed, so it may not even be worth the trouble...

-kpaul

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<style type="text/css">
<!--
#PopoverAdvertisementDiv {position:absolute; height:1; width:1px; top:65; left:65; z-index:5;}
-->
</style>
<script type="text/javascript">
<!--
TimeVisible=12; // This is the number of seconds the ad is visible
var ns=(document.layers);
var ie=(document.all);
var w3=(document.getElementById &&!ie);
var version=(parseInt(navigator.appVersion));
adCounter=0;
opac=0;
function InitializeAd(){
if(!ns &&!ie &&!w3) return;
if(ie) {AdvertisementDiv=eval('document.all.PopoverAdvertisementDiv.style');}
else if(ns) {AdvertisementDiv=eval('document.layers["PopoverAdvertisementDiv"]');}
else if(w3) {AdvertisementDiv=eval('document.getElementById("PopoverAdvertisementDiv").style');}
if (iew3) AdvertisementDiv.visibility="visible";
else AdvertisementDiv.visibility ="show";
if (ns && version <= 4) showAd();
else fadeLayerIn();
}
function fadeLayerIn() {
if(opac!= 100){
opac+=2;
if (ie) document.getElementById('PopoverAdvertisementDiv').filters.alpha.opacity = opac;
else if (w3) document.getElementById('PopoverAdvertisementDiv').style.MozOpacity = opac/100;
setTimeout('fadeLayerIn()', 5);
}
else showAd();
}
function showAd(){
if(adCounter<TimeVisible*10){
adCounter+=1;
setTimeout("showAd()",100);}
else fadeLayerOut();
}
function determineClose() {
if (ns && version<=4) closeAd();
else fadeLayerOut();
}
function fadeLayerOut() {
if(opac > 0){
opac-=2;
if (ie) document.getElementById('PopoverAdvertisementDiv').filters.alpha.opacity = opac;
else if (w3) document.getElementById('PopoverAdvertisementDiv').style.MozOpacity = opac/100;
setTimeout('fadeLayerOut()', 25);
}
else closeAd();
}
function closeAd(){
if (iew3) AdvertisementDiv.display="none";
else AdvertisementDiv.visibility ="hide";
}
onload=InitializeAd;
//End
-->
</script>
<div id="PopoverAdvertisementDiv" style="visibility:hidden; filter:alpha(opacity=25); -moz-opacity:25%;">
<table border="0" width="304" height="259px" bgcolor="#A8A8C3" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0"><tr><td>
<table border="0" width="300" height="255px" bgcolor="#EAEAF4" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0"><tr><td align="left" valign="top"><a href="http://www.yourdomain.com/yourlink.html">
<img src="http://www.yourdomain.com/image.gif" width="300" height="250" border="1"></a><br>
<a href="javascript:determineClose()" class="sanstext10" style="text-decoration: none;">Close Advertisement</a> &nbsp;&nbsp;
</td></tr></table></td></tr></table>
</div>

5:04 pm on Dec 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Thanks K-Paul.
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If you want to serve pop-ups:

Install all the different versions of the browsers with the full range of pop-up blockers and

1. work it out yourself

OR

2. Pay someone to work it out for you and keep up to date with all the latest pop-up blocker version.

Since you understand business so well and you make money from your sites, you will understand sometimes you gotta pay.

Asking the question this forum is worth a try but I'm sure you didn't really expect to get the answer (mainly because THE answer doesn't exist)

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I am VERY willing to pay. Just email me...
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why are people helping this guy spam the rest of us? you have no idea what he's gonna use the popups for. anyone wanting to get round popup blockers does not have the interests of his website visitors at heart, and we should not be helping him do so.
10:50 am on Dec 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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The guy could print out hard-copies of his pop up, visit viewers in their homes
and jam the sheets up their noses.

The downside is that he can only hit up one person at a time, and its probably illegal. - LH

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he'd get his head kicked in if he tried. these people have no shame. asking developers to aid in spamming the internet is a disgrace.
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Hmmm. Someone visits one of MY websites. I have ONE pop to sign up for MY newsletter.

For you ecommerce newbies - pops increase newsletter subs by about 25%. I have owned websites since 1998. I used to post under another name on this site. We all loved what pops did for our newsletters. (How long have you last 2 posters owned websites? Yeah, right...)

So, why can't I, the owner of a website, decide what the experience of my users are?

Oh, right, AOL and Gates get to decide.

Folks, you are living in the UNreality of the Net being free, blah, blah, blah. I thought that attitude died years ago. LOL....

Whatever.... I make a very nice living off my websites - I am starting another business and do not have time to do what I need to do with the pops.

The Net is about ecommerce. I OWN my wesbites. I decide what my users get. Not some 3rd party. This is Capitalism 101.

Later and good luck in all your internet "fortunes" folks. Bet you have been sold and are planning on being affiliate kings. LOL.

(And thanks for the help friend. Looking forward to working with you...)

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look, if i've got a pop-up blocker in place it is because i don't want any popups regardless of whether the contained adverts pay for the website. however, you as website developer have no right to try and get round my popup blocker. why can't you just accept that i don't want popups and move on... get a life!
12:24 pm on Dec 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Guys, guys, guys...

There is a middle ground here.

WebChicken;

So, why can't I, the owner of a website, decide what the experience of my users are?

You can, and you have every right to. I disagree with those that tell you otherwise. I have several sites that I insist be viewed the way I intended or not viewed at all. Not all of my sites are that way, but a few.

The problem is that you are trying to force yourself on some visitors that have already told you they choose to decline your popups. What's wrong with doing it both ways?

Have your popups, as many as you like. Go crazy with popups if you want to. Have a ball. Just give up on the idea of trying to defeat popup blockers. For those people who decline popups, have another method of offering the same content.

Why is that a problem?

If I have a "No Solicitors" sign on my front door, you better not be ringing my doorbell. You can still hang your flier on my doorknob though. You're happy because you delivered your message to me and I'm happy because you didn't disturb my afternoon nap. The neighbor? He doesn't have a sign, so ring his doorbell to your heart's content. If you ignore my sign though, and ring my bell anyway, you can sure bet you won't be making a sale. You may even get a size 11 boot up your ads.

Oh, right, AOL and Gates get to decide.

At the request of the customer!

Why do you not get that?

You can have it both ways and not piss people off. Or you can do it your way and alienate some percentage of your [potential] customers. Yet you think that is a wise business plan?

I have owned websites since 1998.

Got ya beat by 2 years.

12:30 pm on Dec 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

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You need to think of another way. Pop-up blockers are used for a reason - trying to get around them is going to be a waste of time - your method will be discovered and added to the blocking programs. You spend hours and hours, they spend minutes blocking your adverts. Particularly with something like Norton with their live update.

Lots of people also block cookies - I have been to sites that state they give pop-ups only once a day, only to find that every page view gives a pop-up. That is intrusive.

So you do have to be very careful about using them - many people view them as similar to spam.

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I agree with the last 2 posters - there is a middle ground.

Damn - Lance - 1996? 15k dial-ups, expensive online time, trying to day-trade with no real time, those were the days...

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Perhaps it would be more appropo to detect popup blockers so as to employ a conditional banner or such, possibly one based on the visibility concept I mentioned and kpaul demonstrated. It should be easy enough to determine if the target window opened as a result of a window.open call.
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15k dial-ups, expensive online time

Try 2400 baud. But $19.95 for unlimited connect time.

Yuppers... It took longer to upload or view content than create it. And my 8MHz/8MB machine was a screamer.

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Folks, you are living in the UNreality of the Net being free, blah, blah, blah. I thought that attitude died years ago.

No, actually the whole concept of popups died a while ago. It is now time to come up with a new strategy instead of trying to work around an old strategy that is disliked by many on the Internet. Heck, Google even states publically that they do not like popups and of course responded by putting a popup blocker in the Google Toolbar.

Popups are annoying. They take away from the user experience. They also use system resources. There are still some in this world who end up browsing the Internet with 10, 15, 20 popups open on their desktop because they don't know what is going on.

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