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lets try this for a month or three...

last recourse against rogue bots

   
1:21 am on Nov 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

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[webmasterworld.com...]

required login the real story here...
MSN and yahoo bots were blocked in October. This does everyone else.

11:42 am on Nov 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Throwing out baby with the bathwater comes to mind...
11:46 am on Nov 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Pagerank is now 0 too...
11:46 am on Nov 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Will this work on my site where I have a problem with supplemental results - if I ban all robots for a week will google remove all my content.

I can then fix a few problems that have been bothering me.

If I then reallow robots.txt after a week will everything be OK

Any thoughts please.

12:05 pm on Nov 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I can't find any of the threads I have been looking for.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=webmasterworld.com in the uk webmasterworld is gone in google

Same MSN. Still OK in Yahoo but showing less results than expected and I guess it's a matter of time before that is the same.

The vast collective of archived WebmasterWorld threads only exists if you can find them - via the search engines - now we can't find a single post unless we hunt through reams and reams of links...

:(

12:35 pm on Nov 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm wondering if Forum30 will become de-pre-moderated at some point now?
12:49 pm on Nov 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Brett Said : a solution is being tested and worked on. It will probably take atleast 60 days for the old pages to be purged from the engines.

I guessed at 5 days, I have had a client question me about a quote that GG said in a one of the Jagger Threads, it's kinda Cryptic so I need to read it a few times more.. NOW I can't even find the dam thing

MSN has 1 pages
Google has 0 pages
Yahoo is dropping them fast than I can search!

so :

a solution is being tested and worked on : which means? we have a framework in place.. how long before we will see some results..

because if we allow Google back in today it still going to be 180 days

from google :

URL removal system will cause a temporary, 180 day removal of your site from the Google index, regardless of whether you remove the robots.txt file after processing your request.

12:58 pm on Nov 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Brett, you cannot both ban the SEs *and* not have a viable search facility on the site. One or the other, maybe, but not both.

Brett_Tabke:

12million page views (by rogue bots) last week while we were away at the conference ... it is not uncommon to have more than 1000 visitors that will view more than 500 pages a day or 200 visitors that will visit more than 1000 pages in an 8hr day or 50 visitors that view more than 2000 pages a day ... a solution is being tested and worked on

And I thought I had problems with rogue bots! [webmasterworld.com] - I wish you the best in sorting this.

PS

No single human can read and digest 500 pages in 8 hours. Now, I understand that there may be more than one human behind a single IP, but it seems reasonable to me to insist that any single login has a daily limit of pages.

1:28 pm on Nov 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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> because if we allow Google back in today it still going to be 180 days

Brett changed robots.txt - he didn't use the URL removal tool. BIG difference.

> I have had a client question me about a quote that GG said in a one of the Jagger Threads [...] NOW I can't even find the dam thing

Did you ask the client where it was? You can't be blamed for not finding it. If the client tries that, and they're not aware of this thread, point it out to them - "circumstances beyond my control" sorta thing.

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1:48 pm on Nov 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Brett changed robots.txt - he didn't use the URL removal tool. BIG difference.

I don't think that stops anyone else using it though...

Do you think this will reduce the amount of Spam in the forum? Noticed a lot recently, especially around the weekends.

2:00 pm on Nov 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I hope something for the site search can be found quickly. There's one thread I need right now and can't find. Google is already returning no results, and this is apparently affecting AllTheWeb, too - their results are no help at all.

This may make flagging threads much more important. That, and saving pages with ScrapBook.

2:39 pm on Nov 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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balam the removal tool was used
2:58 pm on Nov 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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How does this affect the ability to attract new members? It seems like it would be a lot harder.
3:00 pm on Nov 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It would appear the fundamental symbiotic relationship between webmaster and search engine has been inexorably tilted in this situation to the point of saying Iím going my own way. Just pulling out of the crawl and rank game; pretty courageous move.
3:34 pm on Nov 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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How does this affect the ability to attract new members? It seems like it would be a lot harder.

I don't know, but I have a sneaking suspicion that this may have been part of the move. Perhaps cutting down on walk-in-members for a while, whilst remaining open to friend-recommended (and hence pre-qualified) members could well shift the community to the way it was last year or the year before. There have been countless discussions about the changes in community ethos and the influx of spammers or low quality posts. I'd give you links but I can't search for them :-) You can see some attempts to deal with them in the pre-moderation.

4:02 pm on Nov 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Personally, if Brett has the manpower, it wouldn't bother me a bit if all the forums were pre-moderated. There does seem to be a lot more junk coming in then there was a few years ago. That's what happens when a site becomes as popular as this site. I swear that I have seen multiple new users that are really the same person re-registrating again and posting. Sometimes to spread confusion, sometimes to rant... over and over and over again. People know the plex is looking and they wll do just about anything for a chance to be heard (or seen as is the case here).

Bold move Brett.

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