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12:00 pm on Sep 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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[wifi.google.com...]

Seems Google are gettign ready to launch Google WiFi!


Reuters Story [today.reuters.com].

[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 3:39 pm (utc) on Sep. 20, 2005]
[edit reason] added fresh reuters link. [/edit]

12:22 pm on Sept 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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[wifi.google.com...]

GooFi!

So this is what all the Dark Fibre was about. It all comes together. Google cover the whole of the US with wireless access points. That's ISPs out of business. Google Talk enabled phones can hook up to VoIP over GooFi. That's cellphone companies out of business. And I bet GooOs will run fast on it too ;-)

Anyone in the San Franscisco bay area given this a whirl yet? How fast are your downloads when you connect with Google?

12:45 pm on Sept 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Interesting... They've changed the text on the homepage.

Is this still a wi-fi product for San Franscisco Bay area people or is it just another snooping proxy like Google Web Accellerator?

2:19 pm on Sept 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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this is just a scrambler
2:52 pm on Sept 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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If it works, it's welcome. WEP has more holes than a swiss cheese.
2:56 pm on Sept 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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From the FAQs:
When I install Google Secure Access, why does it ask if I also want to install the Google Toolbar?

We've included the option to install the Google Toolbar because it improves your browsing experience

This surprised me. I don't use many Google products besides search/Adwords - is this type of bundling now standard practice at Google? At least they ask in this case ... probably won't be that way for long.

As for this product - cool that they encrypt your wireless data transfers - but they then bring that traffic through their servers. It is only as secure as your relationship with Google :)

-bB

3:29 pm on Sept 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Make the service free, everyone who logs in goes to the google homepage.

AOL out of business
MSN out of business
yahoo/SBC/Verizon Out of business.

Sounds like a plan to me.

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I'm just amazed with the speed they are doing all this, not awhile ago we were discussing about Google buying dark fiber and few months later they are testing their own WiFi.

Even though I find some things pretty cheesy, like:


When I install Google Secure Access, why does it ask if I also want to install the Google Toolbar?

We've included the option to install the Google Toolbar because it improves your browsing experience.

They didnt really need this one.

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Is there necessarily anything new here? Couldn't this be for the SF Wi-Fi hotspot they've already announced? Some people may be jumping to conclusions that this is tantamount to evidence of a nationwide Wi-Fi network.
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antitrust lawyers in 1... 2... 3...
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< Is there necessarily anything new here?

Good question. I was at Google last week having lunch with a friend, and connected to their on campus wifi network and got the page referenced above.

I don't think these links are evident of a pending nationwide wifi network (though i think it's coming).

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Make the service free, everyone who logs in goes to the google homepage.
AOL out of business
MSN out of business
yahoo/SBC/Verizon Out of business.

Sounds like a plan to me.

Put a frame full of Ads at the top of the browser for everyone surfing thru their WiFi, do not display Ads on the target page if they are AdSense Ads and the top frame is present.

WebMasters out of business!

Yesss, it sounds like a plan to me also ;-)

CS.

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correction:

WebMasters (who rely on AdSense) out of business!

That sure would clean out a lot of spam though.

;)

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For you wireless types out there, what kind of range can be achieved from each access point like the ones that Google intends to use? This is certainly not a linksys router placed every 300 feet obviously.
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correction:
WebMasters (who rely on AdSense) out of business!

True!, but this applies to the ones that do not rely on AdSense at all ;-), You would get the frame for the fact that you are surfing thru their WiFi, not just because you landed in a page with AS Ads on it. Now make it worst, put the frame at top and the bottom :-), making it the first and last thig that the surfer sees on the site :-) .. sweet! and GG is not evil!


That sure would clean out a lot of spam though.

I could not agree more!

CS.

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>>So this is what all the Dark Fibre was about. It all comes together. Google cover the whole of the US with wireless access points.

Why not let the users pay for the last mile by opening up their own access points and giving them money every time someone uses their AP to make a paid call over google VOIP?

This would be possbile if Google and a handful of WiFi manufacturers control the handsets and the WiFI software. Google does the billing :)

6:48 pm on Sept 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

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How do I make my connection even more secure?

You can make your connection even more secure by using a software firewall. Windows XP users with Service Pack 2 can find it by clicking on Start, Control Panel, and then choosing Windows Firewall.

might be better as :

How do I make my connection even more secure?

It depends on your definition of "secure". If your personal information is important to you, you might make yourself more secure by NOT using Google products. Our Privacy Policy clearly states:

...we may share the information submitted under your account...We will not disclose your account information to other people or non-affiliated companies, except in the limited circumstances described in this Policy or with your consent....By using our services, you consent to the transfer of your information...

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This is definately a powerful move by G :o)
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This isn't for Wifi only. It's for anyone concerned about their local network's privacy. If enough people use it, they will be able to sniff a considerable fraction of internet traffic giving them unprecedented knowledge about web usage patterns. Furthermore, they can easily identify cloaked websites by comparing the HTTP responses that go through their VPN with the ones that the bot got. Clever, but also kinda scary!
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>>If enough people use it, they will be able to sniff a considerable fraction of internet traffic giving them unprecedented knowledge about web usage


And use this info as a factor in their algo

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not available for download on Mac? running OSX/FF and i keep getting re-directed to the index page...
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Furthermore, they can easily identify cloaked websites by comparing the HTTP responses that go through their VPN with the ones that the bot got. Clever, but also kinda scary!

is it a scarmbler or a proxy?! hhm i guess i am going to test it. does it use Google IPs?

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"Google confirms it's testing wireless service"
LONDON - Google, the online search leader, confirmed Tuesday it has begun a limited test of a free wireless Internet service, called Google WiFi.
[msnbc.msn.com...]

I can't comment on it. Way above my pay grade, plus I dont know how far they want to take this, costs etc. etc.

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This is powerful stuff from Google.

Giving away a free pipeline for any type of communication has proven to be a valuable business model as of late (witness the market value of Skype).

Only, I can't see Google going all out on providing Wi-Fi hotspots (with about 150 feet maximum range) around the nation.

I think this business model will really bloom for Google when WiMax (with a reach of up to 10 miles) becomes mainstream.

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That's what I was wondering zjacob (range issues). The only way the model works appears to be with WiMax.
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I don't see range being an issue. Think of all the GSM cells you have to have in cities to keep up with demand. WiFi is more cost effective than GSM in heavily built up areas.

As others have said, like the GSM companies do, you can pay the users of the land to set up hotspots.

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>> Think of all the GSM cells you have to have in cities to keep up with demand

sure but users pay anywhere from $30-$100's of dollars each month

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>>sure but users pay anywhere from $30-$100's of dollars each month

And GSM base stations cost 50,000$ and up. A wifi point costs 100$ and can sit in someone's bedroom. If you give the Wi-Fi point owner a share of the money you earn off their traffic they will gladly give it away for free.

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Giving away a free pipeline for any type of communication has proven to be a valuable business model as of late (witness the market value of Skype).

Bingo.

Only, I can't see Google going all out on providing Wi-Fi hotspots (with about 150 feet maximum range) around the nation.

Who says they need to?

Google Secure Access will work equally well from the desktop (and it's working right now from London actually - and over WiFi from Swisscom AP's in London, so this whole San Francisco thing is a red herring).

What it does is create a new VPN sub-net running on the internet backbone from which only Google can mine data and information.

Now how powerful is that for an advertising company? Dark fibre anyone?

And re: Skype - as a leading industry blogger put it this afternoon : "why buy a company when you can swallow it?".

TJ

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I'm not sure I get what you mean. What is the compelling reason for the masses to adopt Google Secure Access? All that dark fiber just for this? Really?
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