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I can't get into Google again...from China

The process times out when I try to get in

     

Ailin

2:16 am on Dec 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I'm in China, and google is acting funny right now.

I had no problem getting in yesterday morning. Suddenly, yesterday afternoon I couldn't get in. I waited until today and tried again, but found google still didn't work.

I asked my coworkers to check...one of them could get in. Another one, when typing in www.google.com, was redirected to the Peking University Tian Wang Search page.

Is anyone else having this problem?

Ailin

stcrim

2:38 am on Dec 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Ailin

I was in China in June - had no problems. But, have heard they have banned everything that could have adult or political content.

Also, my Internet conntections were from hotel that cater to westerners.

-s-

netjunkie

3:49 am on Dec 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

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All that information. In one place. It's Counter-Revolutionary.

toddb

4:11 am on Dec 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I read in wired magazine that google has a deal with China to shut you out for a certain amount of time if you use certain words in your search field. It is the current issue.

toddb

4:17 am on Dec 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

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here is an excerpt "their browsers are redirected to a blank or govt apporved pasge, or their computers are blockd form accessing google for an hour or 2" Thsi is after attempting a search on a term the govt feels is inapropiate. The example given is "human rights in China". I hope this helps.

Ailin

5:07 am on Dec 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Thanks a lot for the information.

I came back this afternoon, and now it's fine. Maybe I was being blocked?

I suppose they could be blocking me, but I can't remember doing any searches on anything that the government would consider "inappropriate". But, that might explain why my coworker was redirected to the Peking University search page.

[Edit--I just tried to use google again and now it's blocked again]

Robert Charlton

4:06 am on Dec 29, 2002 (gmt 0)

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There are other search sites providing Google results that you could access. I assume you know of them.

jomaxx

5:14 am on Dec 29, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Note that users being redirected to a "government-approved" site will inevitably have their IP address and other identifying information broadcast to that site - including the specific Google search that is getting them in trouble. It's very disturbing to me that Google is enabling this.

Woz

5:25 am on Dec 29, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>It's very disturbing to me that Google is enabling this.

This would not be Google's doing, rather a redirection by the Chinese Government before the request even gets outside China.

Onya
Woz

chiyo

5:43 am on Dec 29, 2002 (gmt 0)

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>It's very disturbing to me that Google is enabling this

Thats the reality of doing business in China. Compromise with a government that has far different philosophies than say Google's home government - which reflect on their different approaches to the distribution of information and who "should" control it. And who is to say what system is better? Y!, google and AV have all taken different approaches in their China strategy, with very different results at this stage. Almost all mainland Chinese know their internet activity is or can be monitored, and information is censored. I dont think G! should be expected to rattle the free-flow-of-info tin can based on their "principles" that are necessarily culturally defined. They are indeed a business, and no foreign business can operate in China without accomodating local formal and informal rules. I hear AV is still not accessible from China.

jeremy goodrich

7:12 am on Dec 29, 2002 (gmt 0)

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The wired article mentions tweaks to the national firewall - not tweaks on Google's part.

For them, according to the article - it was keep the advertising revenue...or lose it.

Altavista, apparently, has made the move to lose the advertising revenue.

Well, from a business perspective, anyway.

percentages

8:21 am on Dec 29, 2002 (gmt 0)

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China does not obey international law. If Google wants to surpress its activities then I personally don't have a problem with it.

Until China wants to become part of the "true" internatonal community then it is free to dictate what will and won't be allowed....and it will pay the price for doing so!

If the Chinese people have a problem with surpression then they need to solve that problem for themselves.....it is not for American corporations to dermine what is and isn't allowed in any particular nation.

It seems to me that Google has accepted that a limited presence in China is better than none. So be it.

The Chinese maybe the most powerful nation in the world, but if they can't get their act together then they will suffer the consequences of being artifically supported by the US and western nations.

No one can help those that won't help themselves!

jomaxx

4:13 pm on Dec 29, 2002 (gmt 0)

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True, a closer reading of the article does indicate that it isn't Google itself doing the redirecting. But did Google cooperate with China to set this up? They queried Sergey Brin about this, but "We didn't make changes to our servers, is all he'll say."

Still sounds dubious to me.

instand1

10:31 pm on Dec 29, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Will using an anonymizer as a proxxy help in China?

duncan12

7:28 pm on Dec 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Your best bet is to find another site that uses Google:

[alexa.com...]

You'll get your google search results and the spies in China will be none-the-wiser.

btw, if you haven't tried the alexa.com search, you should.

SlyOldDog

1:25 pm on Dec 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

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There are zillions of sites providing Google results. Some of the more obscure ones can be found in non-English speaking countries. China cannot ban them all.

Incidentally, just to add to info from the Wired article, I was reading just a couple of days ago that the Chinese Government redirects political searches on Google to their own web sites, but allows access to other results. Google neither confirm nor deny whether they provided the Government with the technology to do this.

celerityfm

2:29 pm on Dec 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

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Ailin-

But, that might explain why my coworker was redirected to the Peking University search page

Are you trying to access Google on the same system as your coworker? It seems possible that someone else in your company may be getting your company's IP address blocked from Google under the new search term blocking rules(depending on how your company's internet access is setup).

Could this be the answer to the "random" blockings you are experiencing?

Ailin

3:56 am on Jan 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

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Hi celebrityfm,

We're on a LAN here, so while we all have separate computers, as far as I know there's only one main connection. May be that someone in the company was looking up some of the "forbidden phrases" on google.

This may very well explain it.

I've returned after a long hiatus (nearly broke my foot), and at least it's all working OK now!

Ailin

 

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