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does Google allow "PageRank For Sale" ads ?

I thought Google frowned on this, yet they accept these ads

     
6:51 am on May 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I'm confused. About 18 months ago, Google considered it high treason to openly sell PageRank. Now I see ads fed from Google in the Washington Post that explicitly advertise PageRank for sale. Here's a screen <snip> shot[/url].

Is it okay to sell PageRank now?

[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 12:41 pm (utc) on June 25, 2004]
[edit reason] no specifics. Please reread the TOS [/edit]

12:56 am on May 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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OK, I've got some more feedback on this question.

So, advertising to assist with PageRank isn't a problem. Selling PageRank, however, is another thing - and ads/sites are reviewed on a case-by-case basis along these guidelines.

If you're seeing ads promoting the sale of PageRank, then it's possible that those ads have not yet been reviewed/disapproved. At least let's hope that's it. ;)

In any case - thanks for the heads up. This has been passed on to the right folks.

AWA

1:16 am on May 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Hey,

Yeah, I seen an ad selling page rank also the other day. So now all they have to do is change a couple words in the ad, and it's alright?

C.K.

1:31 am on May 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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So, I can assist someone with pagerank by putting an ad on my site?
3:53 am on May 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Wow. Am I interpreting this right? It sounds like selling "text links" as "advertising" is ok with google, even if we state "these ads may help with google PR" .. but its not ok if we say "We sell pagerank"?

Why then are some sites clearly blocked when it comes to the passing of pagerank? does the PR algo now take into account theming?

Something isn't adding up here.

8:46 am on May 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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AWA, thanks.

figment88, it looks like we can... he he :)

There are other issues/questions that people like Swash have, but...

AWA, thanks for clearing up my question.

9:08 am on May 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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>>>advertising to assist with PageRank isn't a problem...

Can somebody explain to me (who´s first language is not english) what that means?

To assist somebody with pagerank would be in laymen terms like what?

thanks for your help

cheers
viggen

11:59 am on May 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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viggen, if you're looking to sell PR then, for all practical purposes, assisting with page rank and selling page rank are the same thing. It's just that you can advertise one and not advertise the other.

It's a wink, wink situation i.e. Google knows that you are selling PR and is OK with it as long as you don't make it blaringly obvious. As long as you don't fly a "selling PR" flag. As long as you don't claim you will increase somebody's PR. I think the intepretation is: Sell it ... but don't make it look like you are selling it.

4:44 pm on May 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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It would be nice if there was something more of a open market.

People's conceptions of fair prices for pr-bearing ads varies grealty. Buying and selling them takes a lot of time negotiating.

BTW - that is just what I heard. I have never bought or sold a pr-bearing ad.

4:58 pm on May 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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BTW - that is just what I heard. I have never bought or sold a pr-bearing ad.

And you should not!

5:52 pm on May 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I haven't bought or sold one yet. But if there's a market opening up in this - and with Google's approval - I don't want to lose out. Wonder how much Adwords advertisers will bid for this. And how much people will charge for PR if it's an "open market". Can we expect to see "Advertise on our PR8 site for $99" ads soon? ;)
6:21 pm on May 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I think the intepretation is: Sell it ... but don't make it look like you are selling it.

Hmmm. Well, what I was hoping to convey was:

* Ok to assist folks in understanding PageRank - and how to improve it.

* Not OK to sell it, or sell it while calling it something else.

AWA

10:22 pm on May 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Clear as mud. How's this:

"Place your text ad on sites that rank well!
Contact www . someadbroker . com"

Just leave off the "Page" in front of "Rank".

6:23 am on May 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I believe that our quality guidelines give a pretty good answer to this: [google.com...]
especially
Don't participate in link schemes designed to increase your site's ranking or PageRank. In particular, avoid links to web spammers or "bad neighborhoods" on the web as your own ranking may be affected adversely by those links.

That still holds true.

6:31 am on May 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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ok so now you're saying it's NOT ok to advertise to assist pagerank? Can we get some CLEAR answers on this one please?
6:39 am on May 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I think it is pretty obvious:

- You're allowed to advertise SEO services about PageRank.

- You are not allowed to sell PageRank.

- Unless you are a Hit and Run SEO, it is probably inadvisable to assist people with PageRank by encouraging them to participate in unnatural linking schemes.

The part Google doesn't want to tell you is that the state of the nation appears to be that Hit And Run SEOs make all the money.

Also, FYI, my PageRank jumped to PR6 overnight when I bought a few links. Though, I must say, it didn't really help my SERP rankings that much..

Caveat Emptor.

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