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Toolbar greyed for all sites?

Google's toolbar not showing PR anymore?



11:34 pm on May 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Does anyone else see the toolbar greyed out for all sites? I'm not getting anything.


6:18 pm on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)


What are advanced features in Toolbar 3.0?

The advanced features for the Google Toolbar 3.0 are PageRank, AutoLink, SpellCheck, and WordTranslator.

The PageRank button indicates the PageRank for the page you're currently viewing. PageRank is the importance Google assigns to a page based on an automatic calculation of factors such as the link structure of the web. For more information on PageRank, please visit [google.com...]


6:22 pm on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Nice post spiff, you're talking a lot of sense.


6:27 pm on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Exactly! it is a slap in the face, no matter how ya slice it.. they keep getting the goods from us and personally I feel we keep getting the cold shoulder, I really think it is about themselves and not the good of the webmasters... always felt this way actually.

Some of the hypocrisy that runs in this thread is unbelievable.
I hate to be the one to bring you the bad news but google is there for regular Joe surfer NOT the webmasters.
Google had a great search engine who used an ingenious new method to decide which pages are relevant for the keywords that were presented.
Unfortunately, they revealed too much about the inner workings of their engine, which led to a lot of webmasters misusing this information to put their sites first on the search results.
People are complaining that google's search engine is broken and they are right. It is broken. But it is not broken because of google, it is broken because of seo and those same webmasters who throw the blame on google.

Look how beautiful google was before the seo boom. The SERP's were right on the mark and it was truly the best search engine available. Now, it is not.

I am sorry to say that, but 99% of all the affiliate sites have no useful content whatsoever. They are no more useful than any other ad you see on T.V or in a newspaper. Actually, they are worse. Lots of affiliates give false or not entirely true information about their products.
And don't tell me about white or black hat seo. All seo is bad. Exchanging even 1 link, already puts you on the side of the tricksters. If your site was really useful, with good content, it would have gotten to the top NATURALLY. Just like in the beginning (Remember that?).

I am aware that people will do anything to make money. I don't blame them for not caring about ruining the search engine for me or any other Internet user, selfishness is only human nature. But to come here and say the google messed it up? Come on...


6:28 pm on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yes spiffing stuff :) - spiff.

I reckon by this time tomorrow it will be back. (or maybe the day after - failing that it will be back soon - i think)


6:36 pm on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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i agree with krelian 100%, google used to be good before the boom of all the "expert seoīs" personally i donīt have a problem with the affiliate sites as my site as managed to stay on top for 3 years without exchanging links. but it is such a shame that most of the top results in google search engines are sites without real information. personally i hope they have completly changed the way page rank works or closed it down (unlikely).


6:38 pm on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

Dont want to get into a debate about how good/bad google has become as this thread is about toolbar page rank?

Only thing is - other search engines have the same amount of cr@p on the web to deal with (OK they often dont goes as deep) but they seem to be less Buggy (at the moment anyway). I am sure all the little GGs will sort it out in time. :)


6:48 pm on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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it is a slap in the face, no matter how ya slice it.. they keep getting the goods from us and personally I feel we keep getting the cold shoulder, I really think it is about themselves and not the good of the webmasters... always felt this way actually.... unless they start being more vocal I cant take them seriously since them going IPO

I don't like google and never did. I don't trust them. They think they are alone and don't care about anyone. They know that there is a lot of people concerned with what is happening to the toolbar, they know that there is a lot of people depending on that, and they simply don't care and have the mouth shut. I don't care if they remove or substitute PR or whatever they want. I don't use PR as seriously as I use other tools, I don't depend on PR, and I use yahoo 90% of the time.

But there is one thing that really pisses me off, and always did - their behavior. Given that there is a lot of people affected, and that most of that people have helped them to develop their business in some way, I think it's a major blow simply disregard them. Most people here can live without PR or other tool, but they NEED to know what's happening in order to make a decision in regard to their business. Keeping a grey PR for days without notice, is a bad business practice, a major blow to shareholders and webmasters, and is one more reason to what I always thought.

Please someone say them that they are listed on the Stock Exchange.


6:52 pm on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I've had a lot of benefit from the PR display, like many of us here. But I'm also aware of ways it makes my life difficult, including:
- Making it hard to get/swap links for new sites because they have no PR displayed
- Helping the competition with such a public display
- Focusing attention on the SEO industry, which is a lot happier to stay in the shadows

If everybody has good SEO, then we'll be back where we started, apart from everyone will have to take the time to do their SEO.


6:53 pm on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Maybe a bunch of webmasters could get together and coordinate a massive "Google sucks" campaign. Convince a few million average Joe's that Yahoo really does return better results, they tell their friends, etc. etc. and see how big old G likes that. LOL


7:13 pm on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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First I want to say it seems that many people think Google owes us something.. They don't.. They should be nice to us cause we are the hand that feeds them.. but without a massive effort from us to stick it to their bottom line, they won't care.

With that said, my comments are that I never really understood why they showed us pr in the first place.. It only hurt their relevance and allowed webmasters to game them. Myself included..

I am personally hoping it goes away for good.. I believe they have always skewed the visual pr to see the trends in SEO. They have had a view into our computers and therefor into our seo practices for years (with all the toolbars installed). This is the only reason I can think that they showed it. They were able to collect data on how we try gaming them and are able to put counter measures in place... I feel they are comfortable with the data collected and are removing that functionality.

Their "free toolbar" has come at a price to the webmaster community as a whole. I do not believe for a second that they had it visible to be "kind" to webmasters...

For everyone complaining, I bet 99% of you guy still have your spybars (toolbars) installed. Stop complaining and start taking action... Uninstall your toolbars.... Tell your users that it is spyware.. Remove your adsense ads.. Believe me it can be done. My profits are up since doing this due to the fact I had to learn how to increase affiliate ROI. Basically, stop complaining and take action.

I have started taking action. I took a risk of loosing many thousands of dollars a week removing their ads.. I started this when they cut my cpc 75%.. under the ruse of "smart pricing"... There is no way my site fits this as it is above the commision junction conversion averages..

Anyways, stop complaining and start taking action.. Before you post your complaint make sure your spybar is uninstalled.. otherwise your posts will just be noise.. and google will continue... due to all of you that are upset but are unwilling to take action. Google is just laughing saying they are complaining but are lining up to bring up our bottom line.



7:14 pm on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

Perhaps human edited directories like DMOZ do/can/might return better results

For the most part, human-edited directories like DMOZ and spidered search engines like Google serve entirely different purposes: Directories index sites, and search engines index pages. It's like the difference between a library's directory of the magazines in its collection and The Magazine Index or the Reader's Guide to Periodical Literature.

If you're looking for a site about Elbonian travel, you might use a directory. But if you're looking for an article about mud kayaking in Elbonia, you need a search engine like Google. That's why human-edited directories can't be a substitute for spidered search.


7:16 pm on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

Just goes to prove that too many webmasters are dependent on Google with all the panicking on here! Makes me laugh really.

Some people need a reality check and should remember never to put all those eggs in one basket.

Who cares about pagerank! Maybe people should get out more (after all it is the holiday weekend...).

Pass the Dutchie

7:17 pm on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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nice 1 spiff1971.


7:17 pm on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I suspect that the toolbar pagerank will be visible again in a few hours or so--I'll ask around about it.


7:19 pm on May 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Heh, that settles things, eh?

Will we get an explanation?

And a PR update? :-)

[edited by: TheRookie at 7:19 pm (utc) on May 30, 2005]

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