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what exactly gets banned using WebPositionGold; the website or the IP

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10:52 pm on Jun 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I do not know all the internet jargon so excuse me if i have to explain extra stuff.

i know many of the search engines either ban the use of webposition gold or clearly state that it goes against their terms of use because it wastes bandwidth. however, i am not clear as to what gets banned.

risks aside i still would like to attempt to use webpositiongold. for example, i have a website that is hosted at a hosting company (not hosted internally on our server). if i use webpositiongold to check my website's rankings and the rankings of my competitors for various search terms and i am searching from work what will get banned if the search engines decide to? will my website and my competitors' websites get banned on those search engines (i would not think the search engine knows what website's i am looking for and if they did then they would ban my competitors too which would be penalizing the wrong site. if this is the case what would prevent someone from running WPG to the hilt to get their competitors banned)? or will the search engine ban the ip address of my computer that is doing webpositiongold from using its services? if this is the case i will just run webpositiongold from home and if it gets banned i can easily call my ISP (cable internet connection provider to reset my IP address).

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2:13 am on June 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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it's the querying IP that gets banned. If it was the website, you could knock out your competitors by using WPG.

As for your ISP simply changing your IP address: In the event you do get banned and a change in address gets you back to work, the 2nd IP ban will likely be applied to a range of IP address. That is, if you get banned on IP 10.0.0.1 and the ISP gives you 10.0.0.255, then the 2nd ban will be against 10.0.*.*, meaning all IPs are banned in the range of 10.0.0.1 to 10.0.255.255, and then you're done.

I know someone who uses WPG regularly to check his ranks on 1000 or so keyterms once a week or so on several SEs, and they've never been banned.

I have found that I can manually check just a few terms and get as good a grip on keyterm rankings overall as if I had run a report on every single term.

2:32 am on June 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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I'm waiting to see if NetIQ, the new owner of WPG, is able to negotiate with the major search engines and allow its users to query their indexes on a fee basis.

From my perspective, the search engines are missing out on a golden opportunity. Charging a fee to check rankings. Wow, what an idea that is! ;)

1:37 pm on June 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

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Excuse my ignorance, but what would happen exactly if they ban an IP address?

Would it harm the website attached to the address or would it mean that anyone using that IP wouldn't be able to use the search engine?

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If your IP address is banned from Google, you cannot access their properties.

I've not heard of any recent cases of IP addresses being banned by Google. The last big one was overseas and it left 4 million people without access to Google. Outside of that, it is a rare occurence these days. Either that, or people just don't want to admit they stretched the limit with their tool.

9:33 pm on June 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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This is a bit of an aside, but you can set a interval for the software to wait between searches, so the software acts more like a human search with pauses between the search requests.
10:47 pm on June 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

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A little courtesy - (time betweem searches), running reports during slack periods (overnites), and using dynamic/dialup IPs and I don't see a problem.
How would they ban a block of public access/dialup Ip's anyway? Its different every time you dial in.(Even on dynamic adsl)
12:08 am on June 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

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They can't just ban an IP of a web site since many web sites share IP's. I'm sure Google is aware of this and doesn't go around banning IPs and therefore several web sites at a time. At least I hope not, since I share an IP with about ten other web sites. I hope none of them start reading this board and start over-SEOing!