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Pagerank queries - the <rk> parameter

What do such figures as Rank_1:1:6 Rank_1:1:5 mean?

     
10:10 pm on Feb 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

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We already know that toolbar PR is in fact an historical figure. When you query google for current PR, you get some mysterious figures such as:

Rank_1:1:6 Rank_1:1:5 Rank_1:1:4 Rank_1:1:4 Rank_1:1:5 Rank_1:1:6 Rank_1:1:5 Rank_1:1:0 Rank_1:1:1 Rank_1:1:5 Rank_1:1:2 Rank_1:1:3 Rank_1:1:0 Rank_1:1:0 Rank_1:1:3

These figures are for a site that has a current toolbar of PR4.

I searched the web for an explanation, but failed to get a good one.

Is there any idea as to what all these magical numbers mean?

12:14 am on Feb 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Jim, I just read this on a website. I can't post the link, but can sticky it if you like:
"The actual value in the "Real PageRank?" column is the RK value on the XML page where U matches the URL (the first match with or without the www prefix). If there is no match, then "Unknown" is displayed."

Sorry, that didn't make much sense, but it related to two PR scores- the current one showing on the toolber, and a Real RageRank, which hasn't been displayed on the toolbar yet. It states that the RK value is the latter

12:25 am on Feb 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Thanks Eazygoin.

I knew that they took it from the RK but didn't know they took the first match in the feed.

I think the only question of real interest now is if RK really is Live PageRank or not?

The guy also told me that he has observered that RK is changed often and he has seen an increase in value after backlinks being placed - the same day the new pages with new backlinks have been cached in Google.

I think I will do some tests on this.

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Just realized while comparing RK DCs for different sites.

You are now able to see when a DC is updating it's index or has found your backlinks by tracking backlinks by dates on a site and seeing the RK update :) cool.

Now listen to this:

Matt Cutts latest post (Feb 17) shows as RK 3 on the DCs that found it and nothing on the rest. A post from feb 15 shows as RK 6 on half DCs and RK 3 on the other half.

And now this:

On those DCs that the RK of the blog post was 6 compared to those it was 3 he ranked higher in the SERPs!

Example 1:

Difference in RK: 6 compared to 3
Name of post: "WSJ on SEO contests"
Date bloged: feb 15
Query used: WSJ SEO contest
Difference in rank: 3 compared to 5.

Example 2:

Difference in RK: 7 compared to 6
Name of post: "Road trip: Ask Jeeves in Campbell"
Date bloged: feb 13
Query used: ask jeeves Albuquerque
Difference in rank: 3 compared to 5.

Why older blog posts by Cutts has higher RK? GoogleBot has not yet found the the many RSS feeds that are linking to his posts (most probably).

So it perhaps is the Live PR?!

2:15 am on Feb 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Just verified: yes, the RK is always the same for a URL no matter which query you use.

And I just read an article on how the Google Toolbar works. After information is sent to a Google server, data in the form of an XML document with data about the URL is sent back.

There are values and info on a lot of things and guess what the field of the value of the PR is called?

RK

The same name as the SERP XML, but in the SERP XML the RK is not the toolbar PR, just has the same name. Code name for PR?

3:22 am on Feb 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Just to add ...

From another document written by Google:

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U - The URL of a single search result - [Absolute] URL (needs HTML-escaping to view)
T - The title of a single search result - HTML
RK - Google's rating of how good a single search result is - An integer in the range 0-10, inclusive
---

"Google's rating of how good a single search result is" and with "An integer in the range 0-10, inclusive"

PageRank in other words.

To see the document, Google: "Google's rating of how good a single search result is"

EDIT:
BTW: Just realized that the document probably is confidential "The contents of this document are confidential and proprietary to Google." and is hosted by some guy that mirrors controversial and important documents "that is in danger of censorship", hehe.

6:43 am on Feb 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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Dont know if I can post this URL here or not, but some one was asking about the firefox extension for the live pr
[livepr.raketforskning.com...]

If the url does not show, can go to the firefox website and do a seach in extensions for page rank and it will show the url

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Jim Westergren

And I just read an article on how the Google Toolbar works. After information is sent to a Google server, data in the form of an XML document with data about the URL is sent back.

There are values and info on a lot of things and guess what the field of the value of the PR is called?

RK

Can you sticky me a copy of a link to that document.

Intresting finds :)

I am not 100% sure that the <rk> values are in use until after a data export etc though.

EG the lastest Page Rank update happened using values of about February 2nd - 4th, at this time there were a number of posts regarding a serp shift - so were the latest <rk> values then used in the serps and we need another export for the next <rk> values to be used - especially the Big Daddy DCs.

On this date my homepage changed from a <rk> 0 to an <rk> 4 (5 in big daddy) - but it still cant rank for anything - it might just take a little while for these values to kick in/effect the serps though.

This site is also hopefully coming back from a canonical error - so it might be a bad example/held back for other reasons.

So I guess what i am saying is that <rk> values are continually calculated - they are then exported to the serps which results in a change in serps and then a couple of weeks later people start noticing the new PR....

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Dayo,

On this date my homepage changed from a <rk> 0 to an <rk> 4 (5 in big daddy) - but it still cant rank for anything - it might just take a little while for these values to kick in/effect the serps though.

Fingers crossed you're not in the sandbox ...

Jim,

I spoke to the guy and asked him on what bases he can back up RK as being the live PR. He believes that the current PR value that is now being exported is old and that it is the RK that is the actual PR that Google uses.

I looked at the source of that "Rocket Sience" LivePR extension and I hate to say that I think it's vodoo. It uses an allinurl: query to get results and then tries to find an exact math of the URL in question among those results. This is bound to fail. Firstly, there is no guarantee that

http://www.example.com/page

is contained in the serps for the query "allinurl:www.example.com/page". The allinurl: results as well as the link: serps have been artificially crippled by Google for several years. Also, the tool doesn't look at the supplemental pages. If the URL in question is part of those, the tool just randomly picks one of the non-supplemental. Obviously, that pick returns the wrong PR.

Secondly, the extension doesn't escape the URL properly.

Thirdly, why would Google return live PR (aka live RK aka internal PR) for allinurl: queries when it returns toolbar PR for all others including info:, site: and so on?

10:19 pm on Feb 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

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big daddy DCs almost always has higher <rk> values then the rest.

As far as I can see, this needs some qualification. It is true for "old" sites. But quite the opposite holds true for "new" sites, that is to say, RK values for new sites are always lower in BD DCs, as I pointed out in the other thread on pr update.

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As far as I can see, this needs some qualification. It is true for "old" sites. But quite the opposite holds true for "new" sites, that is to say, RK values for new sites are always lower in BD DCs, as I pointed out in the other thread on pr update.

That is a damm interesting observation. Age more important in the new BD infrastructure?

I will check more things tomorrow.

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