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Google Datacenters Watch: 2006-01-16

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6:59 am on Jan 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

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"Celebrating" Allegra Update Anniversary Day

Good morning Folks

Life on Google DCs is much more wonderful than you will ever think :-)

Approaching February 2006, I feel like it just happened yesterday or last week or last month. I'm talking about that Allegra update which changed the map of Google serps once and for all on 2nd February 2005.

I recall loosing 75% of my Google's referrals at that black cold February day. Then the sad stories of other fellow members started to appeare on the threads.

IMO, Allegra was a turning point of the relation between the SEO's specialists and Google. Since then Google carried out an undeclared war against what most SEO's were making living of. Some wise SEO's understood at once the situation and started to adapt and deal with the new environment. Others kept dreaming about the return of the good old Google Dance days.

February is a good time for "savage" Google's updates. Better you keep your eyes opened and watch closely whats taking place on the DCs. And keep your focus on small and big changes on DCs such as

[64.233.179.99...]
[64.233.179.104...]

And lets be wise and forget all about the Smoke and Mirrors of a BigDaddy or a BigMammy :-)

I wish you all a great day and a successful week.

[edited by: tedster at 8:52 am (utc) on Jan. 16, 2006]

[edited by: lawman at 11:56 am (utc) on Jan. 16, 2006]

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That's interesting about the 25B pages, considering last I heard their index was only around 8B (thinking back to around March 2004 or so?).

Perhaps, amongst other things, BigDaddy will sport an increased index capacity?

I thought the next logical progression would be to 16B, but perhaps they are jumping to 32B?

Or its just another of those 'Google counts approx X10 when over 1000 actual results' phenomenon's?

[edit:added]
Just did a search and apparently they claimed they increased it again last September, but they have not specifically announced the size...
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Why are you talking about the same thing on SO many pages, we know that google has a test DC, they are triying to fix the non www issue, 301,302 links, we can also see less supplemental results on that test DC and it shifts between google.com and test DC, but thats it, it has done that for weeks and nothing new had happen.

I could understand this thread went nuts when we got new PR, rankings or it stayed on google.com, but that is not the case, I also understand that it is a horror to be in this situation, I got hit with a site nov3 2004 with a site that got 35.000 unique visits a day.

Im also watching this posting and hoping for news, but its always the same posting.

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Agreed Zeus

Come on Google we must be getting close to the next stage of Big Daddy of an interal PR update and a good crawl based on the new infastructure?

They cant be totally happy with the identification of the canonicals and 301/302 following I guess.

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Dayo_UK

>>They cant be totally happy with the identification of the canonicals and 301/302 following I guess<<

Agreed!

And that might explain why Matt isn't talking anymore about BigDaddy ;-)

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Maybe just maybe ,the canonical issue is not a problem with google or any data center including BD.Probably Penalised pages will have the canonical problem as long as the penalty is there.And probably wrong canonical indexing is a new way of Google to apply penalties.So as Zeus said this thread goes to dead end as long as we with penalties have to stay in Prison ,just like in Monopoly game.
As a proof to the above :why unpenalised pages have not any problem with canonical issues? why they are survive any update.All of us that suffer we will suffer as long Google exists.Some mistaces we did in the past will never be forgiven by the google religion of "Do no Evil" (hmmm someone else from the USA ("land of freedom") made the word EVIL famous and use it to exterminate K's of EVIL ones in several countries.
As about Googlers zeelots,I hope when a new comet aproaches the earth they will do the same like they did some multimilionaire freeks a few years ago (does anyone remembers the story?)
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bluewidgets - Its not a penalty, most of us got hit by the googlebug 302, that means 302 redirects are shown in the google serps as a unique page and that way many got filtered out of the index because of dublicated content, those pages has been in the index until now, but on the test DC I dont see any caches of those redirects or hijackers and as a bonus they have also fixed the non www issue.
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The pages that finally got an updated cache on big daddy yesterday were crawled on Jan 6th if that helps you. I will let you know when and if the pages crawled yesterday show up on bigdaddy.

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Are you seeing pretty much all pages that Mozilla Googlebot crawls making the test index then?

Large site - or just a small one?

I also had a heavy Mozilla Googlebot crawl overnight.

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Dayo_UK

Our site is about 2000 pages built over the last 5 or so years.

We only saw stuff happening on big daddy after this particular mozilla bot started crawling 66.249.65.144, It heavily crawled old old pages that were long ago 410'd or 404'd. (we did change all our 410's to 404's in november/December - not sure if that made a difference).

This is the mozillabot that yesterday hit pages that have not been indexed on google anywhere for a long time. I will keep watching to see if they get added to any index. It took from Jan 6th crawl to yesterday for updated cache dates (or even a cache at all in some cases) to show up on big daddy for us so it seems to take awhile.

I have noticed that when regular googlebot hits a page that is in all the datacenters it gets an updated cache on bigdaddy as well. It is pages that are only on big daddy that seem to take awhile to get a cache or a new cache date.

I am not sure if this helps you, but I think this mozillabot is different than other ones that have been on our site in the past. I haven't seen much from any other mozillabots lately to do a comparison though.

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Hmmmz - I guess we will just have to be patient a bit longer.

I have had pages added to the index from Mozilla Googlebot from a different IP addy to the one you have said - so I dont know if there is any significance in which IP address Mozilla Googlebot comes from.

Although the index at [64.233.179.99...] only showed updated cache over the last few days I am pretty sure that this updated cache is being used for the results on [66.249.93.104...] and has been for a while. True that when you query the cache it does not show the updated details - but the serps snippets do indicate the more recent crawl - and it did not take so long for that data to appear on that dc.

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I predict a major change within two weeks. Traditionally google has done relatively major algo changes on February, and it's been a while since jagger.
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I predict a major change within two weeks. Traditionally google has done relatively major algo changes on February, and it's been a while since jagger.

Do you think that the changes will be in tune with the test DC results? or with the results that are being shown after december last week update?

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I think the folks at the plex are perplexed that the results on the test DC were so different than the regular ones, despite them thinking they weren't doing a ranking update. With virtually no meaningful canonical fixes applied by Big Daddy they have been likely very unsure of what exactly they have on their hands. No doubt the Big daddy results will become the main body of results, but when they do they should be only around briefly, because if the infrastructure is put in place and in the future does anything to fix (most) canonical issues, there will be massive changes in the results. There just isn't any evidence that anything is working right across the board now, so it seems there will be a lot more waiting to do.

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Heh, just checked the test DC and saw how unstable it was just refreshing the page... one time a sites index page would rank #6 without the www, while another refresh the index page would rank #11 with the www. Canonical problems get worse every day.

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Can someone please explain what the DC`s are showing? It all looks the same to me. Please explain what all the DC watching is and why I need to do it.
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>>Walkman: good prediction, i am betting for a change soon too but within 3-4 weeks

It might feature some huge changes for quite some time, internal PR being changed according to the size of the new index + new filters on texlink networks or something...stay tuned google fans! :)

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[66.249.93.104...] is currently showing very new and very disturbing results (for me anyway).
Nothing I've seen before.

added: Naturally, it is suffering from major canonical issues; much worse than the ones BigDaddy had supposedly fixed for this site.

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Hi Powdork

I've noticed on these non-BD results that all of my pages are accurately cached and up to date, there are no supplimentals for my old site and I'm getting crawled quite regularly and updates are listed in a few days.

With BD results I've got hundreds of supplimentals, non-existant duplicates and 1 year old cache. Is it possible that we're on for a merge between the two results soon? Maybe to bring the cache up to date on the BD results and eventually lead to an overall update.

All the best

Col :-)

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From where I sit Google has made significant progress on Homepage Canonical Problems.... it is just the ranking and the related crawling based on these infastructure changes has not been updated as a result....IMO.

The Canonical problems you are discussing (except from your precise example) - do they relate to homepages in general or internal pages?

If they are internal pages which have resulted in one going supplimental Google may not see it as an issue based on MC comments that the supplimental lays over the top of the normal results.

I 100% agree that once the new infastructure is in use then we will see big changes.

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Bring on the big changes. Even a blind dog finds a bone from time to time. LOL
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today I saw a little increase in pictures from our site on google image from the www version of our site, BUT also still 3 times more of the non www version in google image.

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Today I am seeing the Mozilla Googlebot DCs cache dates appearing on other DCs - although the serps are not showing the BD results......

Hmmmz - I think we are getting close to a roll out....

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Dayo_UK

>>Hmmmz - I think we are getting close to a roll out....<<

I think we are getting close to update Allegra-II ;-)

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what is the hot DC that I should be watching?

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[64.233.179.99...]

Whether this will look like the final results though I am not sure.... it does look like all caches on all dcs are the same as this DC for me - although serps are only on this one and the other one mentioned above - [66.249.93.104...]

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>>what is the hot DC that I should be watching? <<

At the plex, they call them; reseller's DCs :-)

[64.233.179.99...]
[64.233.179.104...]

Enjoy.

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