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Dealing with the consequences of Bourbon Update

Which changes has Bourbon brought about & How to deal with them?

     
3:41 pm on Jun 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Assuming that the greatest part of of the latest Google update (Bourbon) is completed, its rather important to do some damage assessments, study the changes brought about by Bourbon and suggest ways to deal with them.

We need to keep this thread focused on the followings:

- Changes on your own site ranking on the serps (lost & gained positions or disappearance of the site).

- Changes you have noticed on the new serps (both google.com and your local google site) especially in regards to the nature of the top 10 or 20 ranking sites.

- Stability of the serps. I.e do you get the same serps when you run the same query within the same day or 2-3 successive days (both google.com and your local google site).

- Effective ethical measures to deal with the above mentioned changes.

Thanks.

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stu2 4:43 am on June 15, 2005

kgun
Do you have the link to the thread about what to do to make it harder for your pages to be hijacked (302'd). I think it was written by GG, but cannot seem to find it.
Sorry for the late reply?
Did you think of one of these.
Questions for GoogleGuy

[webmasterworld.com...]

GoogleGuys posts:

[webmasterworld.com...]

You know the Hypertext Transfer Protocol -- HTTP/1.1?

[w3.org...]

Look in chapter 10. Status code definition. If still confused, search on Google with the thext strings that you find there.

BeeDeeDubbleU 10:56 am on June 15, 2005

Would that this were true. They are the epitome of capitalism and capitalism does not have a social responsibility. Make no mistake about it, their only responsibility is to their shareholders.
My ranking

1. The customer is the boss. Any sale without customers?
2. Below him the shareholder. He says that the company shall make money.

There are four types of people out there.
1. Some that tries to make a living of SEO techniques.
2. People that focus on bringing quality content to the web.
3. 1 & 2.
4. People that do not bother.

Perhaps group 2 have suffered most and it is time for them to get some attention.

What is the final consequence? On free search, will content be most important after this update? Is there still room for smart advertisers to confuse GoogleBOT. I hope content wins and do not regret that some people loose positions because of smart techniques. But perhaps I hope in vain.

Janiss :57 pm on June 15, 2005

Frankly, having to do 2 sites, one for google and one for the rest of the world sounds like a big, frickin' pita - I should be writing and editing content for readers, not tweaking code for a search engine that's not going to benefit from my information!

Fully Agree.

Johan007 :52 pm on June 15, 2005

Using
[copyscape.com...]
To search for Plagiarism of your page on the Web i can only see the odd banned site by google! I wanna be back.


Exellent, Thank you.

Do anybody else know of other similar tools?

Fearlessrick :22 pm on June 15, 2005

and BTW, I think that near-absolute silence on these issues by a company the size of Google, affecting so many people, is beyond absurd and bordering on insane or just plain stupid.
Obviously, I am not a big fan of secrecy, corporatism or totalitarianism, along with a bunch of other isms.

My advice again turn off the green page rank bar and be patient.

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Have any problems with capitalism?

or...

"rugged individualism"?

No, of course not, and neither of these has any place in a discussion with the other "isms" I pointed out. So, your point is...?

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You wrote in the earlier post:

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"and BTW, I think that near-absolute silence on these issues by a company the size of Google, affecting so many people, is beyond absurd and bordering on insane or just plain stupid.
Obviously, I am not a big fan of secrecy, corporatism or totalitarianism, along with a bunch of other isms".

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Don't want a long BLOG like Chat of this.

My point:
Google use the procdures they mean are best to search for quality content on the web. That is with free search.

I do not reply unless you have a good point.

KBleivik

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Google = capitalist
Webmasters = rugged individuals
10:25 pm on June 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I expect the data at 64.233.167.104 to spread to other data centers in the next few days. It may still take a while to settle down though.

<added>annej, to answer your question at message #392 this is newer data, not a rollback. We had to get the first set of data out before we could push this data.</added>

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The fat lady sings (no offense GG).
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All my website tweaks and sitemap submission are paying off.

I got two G search visitors today!

Only 4998 to go :)

It was two searchers who were very patient since my site was last on 100 results.. just above.. click to see even suckier results.

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If anybody is feeling cocky about their current business, take a look at 64.233.167.104 and see how the mighty have fallen. Spammiest garbage Google has presented in two years.
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>> I expect the data at 64.233.167.104 to spread to other data centers in the next few days. <<

I really hope not. The data includes pages that haven't existed for 6 months. For other pages, the SERPs reflect what is in your cached version of the page, that too being 6 months old, and the real page should no longer appear for the search term anymore because the page content was changed long ago (3 or 4 months ago).

I mentioned above that Google had finally correctly listed all 118 pages of a site, and dropped all the URLs that were 301 redirects. The IP GoogleGuy mentions has the site shown in it's "broken" format, again with a 6 month old cache.

That IP is OLD data.

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I expect the data at 64.233.167.104 to spread to other data centers in the next few days.

I hope it wont - just like g1smd. Pages with my keywords as anchor text are listed before my pages - and these anchor texts are the ONLY occurence of keywords on these pages. Otherwise they have nothing to do with the subject or content of my site.

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