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Update Allegra Part 2 Update 2-2-2005

   
11:51 am on Feb 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

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complain about a real problem

Can't see the sandbox being a "real" problem, or a problem at all. It's there to stop the SPAM. If I start a new company called Mesothelioma Lawyers Ltd you reckon I should show up in the top 500 purely because that's my company name?

Sure, the "sandbox", whatever it is, hurts some. It hurts people who are creating sites for free traffic. Many of them are spammers/freeloaders. It also hurts others. They - particularly anyone starting a new business with a business plan that relies on free SE traffic - are probably better off staying unemployed (or employed if they can find a job). Any new site starting off on the premise that free traffic will sustain it deserves to fail.

So, if you remove the sandbox as a reasonable cause for complaint, and remove most of the other whining, we'd reduce this thread to one page and those that can't even be bothered to read it will get a personal reply from Googleguy because he owes them.

11:41 pm on Feb 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

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" number of zeros: 49
average of nonzeros: 1.0"
I see movement too...for the worst though. Only 6 DCs left.

Tee hee. No movement. I just found 4 new IPs and added them: 64.233.187.104, 64.233.187.106, 64.233.187.107, 64.233.187.99

Total is now 59 IPs on that tool. I don't use 64.233.189.104, and I can't use 64.233.161.104 because something is blocking it upstream of my server. That's all the IPs I know about.

[edited by: ciml at 11:04 am (utc) on Feb. 14, 2005]
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2:27 am on Feb 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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[search.netscape.com ]
[mysearch.myway.com ]

Google is feeding these with the bigger index
This was not happening yesterday. Wishful thinking that maybe they are going to go live in the next few days with the better SERPS

3:18 am on Feb 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Ditto with search.aol.com and a9.com.

And it looks like 216.239.53.X is going over to the dark side intermittently. That leaves only 66.102.7.X, which isn't much to hang your hat on.

3:20 am on Feb 14, 2005 (gmt 0)



I seem to be seeing three different indices again instead of 2. I'm #1, #5 and #10 on one search for MyDomainName; with directories and an empty no content page ranked higher on the latter two.

Maybe tomorrow Google will finally get a clean index with the 12 billion pages I suspect they are trying to roll out.
Maybe tomorrow an asteroid will strike the Earth making all this irrelevant.

Person A: Remember, it's always darkest before dawn.
Person B: What does that have to do with the Google Allegra update?
Person A: Absolutely Nothing.

3:52 am on Feb 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I'm #1, #5 and #10 on one search for MyDomainName; with directories and an empty no content page ranked higher on the latter two.

I think you need to find a search that shows a massive difference -- such as number 1 on one index and not in the top 100 on the other index. The variations you mention are too subtle to qualify definitively as three different indexes. There are variations within a single index across the IP addresses, and these will no doubt continue, although they may also settle down a bit. I've been using about four different searches, each with massive variation, to determine what's what with this update process.

I like your joke.

4:06 am on Feb 14, 2005 (gmt 0)



"And it looks like 216.239.53.X is going over to the dark side intermittently. That leaves only 66.102.7.X, which isn't much to hang your hat on."

and Google is probably thinking that they fixed the probelms.

4:18 am on Feb 14, 2005 (gmt 0)



Scarecrow:

Yes, I agree, but I've already noted massive index differences in previous posts in recent days. I only wanted to make note that some indices show me in the same wierd situation as many others - directories that link to me are ranked higher.
One thing I'm hoping for when this update is resolved is for most of the spam / fake directories, link farms, and other Black Hat scum pages to be wiped out. As someone who is 99.99% searcher, I'd rather have a 4 billion clean index than a dirty 8,9,10...index.
I just have a feeling that Google is trying for a minimum 10 billion index - twice the 5 billion* that MSN Search claims.

* Rumor has it that the MSN Search 5 billion figure is actually 1 billion external web documents + 4 billion spam emails Bill Gates has received in recent years ...

5:25 am on Feb 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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LOL, found this snipet on another forum:

$GOG_results = $Latest_Allegra_update ;
if ($GOG_results == true && $Allegra == $final)
{
print "Error - Google is broken. Go Yahoo!";
&exit; # crapy G SERPs give the user a notice and exit quick
}

6:02 am on Feb 14, 2005 (gmt 0)



I'm offically stumped. The SERPS changed even for the few DCs that still have my site. On the [66.102.7.*...] ones, I moved up to #2 on a very competitve keyword. I was #3 yesterday and the number of pages increased by about 8-9,000 (still about 70,000 less than Google.com though).

[66.102.7.104...] 1 (for mydomain.com)
[66.102.7.105...] 1
[66.102.7.106...] 1
[66.102.7.107...] 1
[66.102.7.147...] 1
[66.102.7.99...] 1

On the other ones I'm not found.

6:24 am on Feb 14, 2005 (gmt 0)



One final note for today. The [a Google mirror] site is showing 66.102.7.104 for cached results, even though that is not the IP address given by whois lookup. Good, clean results, a little larger than pre-allegra. I don't know how 'big' overall the google.com I see is by comparison; as I noted previously, some searches are much larger; some much smaller; on one set of search terms, where 66.102.7.104 gives about 500,000 pages, google.com gives about 250,000. Quarter of a million pages missing in google.com for several days now on that particular search alone.

[edited by: ciml at 11:06 am (utc) on Feb. 14, 2005]
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6:54 am on Feb 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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It's pointless comparing the two. The numbers keep changing and there are huge disparities, like 66.102.7.104 having 30 MILLION less results for "furniture".

Size doesn't matter here, since if one has more hijacking/scraper sites while the other has a similar amount of hijacked/disappeared sites the number comparison is irrelevant to the difference in index quality.

7:07 am on Feb 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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Google is a necessary evil.... you gotta pay,or learn to appease the gbot...it's a never ending process

We should pool our resources and promote a new search engine....

G has us by the short and curlies...I dont like it, but it is what it is...

These new results ..suck...I'm better off creating articles and spamming G with phony content than improving my actual site,,

G,
you're a joke

7:57 am on Feb 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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These new results ..suck...I'm better off creating articles and spamming G with phony content than improving my actual site

Yeah, that' what really hurts.

My shiny new black hat arrived last week. I haven't taken it out of the box yet but I have read the instruction manual and it's getting very tempting... just to quickly try it on... try on the preciousss...

9:50 am on Feb 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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The "outsourcing" idea some say Google are already using would not be a suprise, however, having been on the receiving end of some misguided Yahoo! editor recently I really cannot support the idea at all.

Are you completely sure that he or she was "misguided"?

We have to be honest here and I wonder what percentage of collateral damage is caused by Yahoo's manual editors compared to Google's algo?

I recently created a non profit site in for a club that was formed as a tribute to a poet. It featured for about three or four weeks then Allegra placed it in its black hole. This would not have happened to a perfectly innocent and useful site with a manual editor.

1:27 pm on Feb 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

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I can definitely say I don't feel like "making quality pages" today.
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