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Google is still the best SE (even after this months somewhat degraded index) and kicking it out would have caused yahoo serious public relation damage.
I am very happy with this even though my rankings suck in this months update :( ...
Whatever it is, it will surely be more next quarter, thanks in large part to the improved algo. I kinda figured google brought a little something "extra" to the table for this round of negotiations.
I have to admit I do like the new Yahoo search results format with combined results. For those who rank well in Google, it is a sunny day.
And I think that signing a new deal with Google was a very smart move. Me be a happy Beachboy today. :)
In the new system, both Yahoo and Google results are mixed together under an entirely new "Web Matches" section.
Good for consumers to find their exact items and speed their searches, and good for online Moms and Pops. Some of those head right to the shopping cart they're so precisely targeted.
Very nice article:
This is a particularly interesting observation:
Indeed, Google has become a synonym for web search to some people.
That's quite an accomplishment in branding in a few short years. People don't say they're buying tissues, they say they're buying Kleenex. Now they don't say go to a search engine, they say "Do a Google search."
Well, more may happen. Inktomi tells me now that they are still in talks with Yahoo. Yahoo was also very strong on the whole "non-exclusive" thing with Google, so we could see further providers mixing in results.
Can't say I'm happy to lose lots of YAHOO! rankings, but this new search format is a huge upgrade now that it doesn't display all that affiliate and other junk the directory was becoming consumed with.
Maybe Ink could step in and provide some kind of more shopping or business services related search. Non exclusive is good, it keep the possibility open that other data sources besides Google will be available to the public.
Generally speaking, this is horrible - even if you didn't like Yahoo SERP's at least they were different from Google... now everything is the same.
As far as who else they might use to supliment Google....INK and AV are the obvious choices. Both have trusted feed programs based on a CPC model. This means a revenue share opportunity. How long b/c Google offers a trusted feed CPC program?
This is great if you are fan of monopolies and you have good position in Google.
I could not agree more. Now we have to search MSN if we want different results. I'm pissed. I recently listed a very relevant site in Y! that had a very good position, but because Google has not updated it's crawl, what was #1 in Y! now does not even exist...and it won't until Ms. Google Bot updates her info.
Y! can forget about me renewing or paying for that matter, that $299 again unless my relevant sites are found as they once were. What's the point of paying. Get a good rank in Google and you've covered 75% of the internet.
Time for a chargeback :)
Anyway looking at the results I am in shock that Yahoo, has given up their directory. Now people have absolutely no reason use Yahoo. Well at least most of my sites will do very well with the new system. Now if you get banned by google it's all over.
One company controling the information on the web is not a good thing... No matter how well we do from it...
[edited by: Marcia at 11:34 pm (utc) on Oct. 9, 2002]
Yahoo is Google with 4 overture spots on the top and ads on the top bottom and right. and more overture at the bottom.
Can anyone think of a single reason to give Yahoo a single dime any longer?
In 2 months when the rest of the world discovers that for your $299.00 you get 0000000000000000000000. They may change their tune and acutally give mankind a reason to give them money again.
Finally: Anyone here can think of 1 single reason to ever give Yahoo another dime?
Visitors won't have to leave the site to do their searches elsewhere - so that means more people looking at ads, which equals more money.
Have you checked your traffic stats in the few hours since the Yahoo combined search went live, and have they really taken a beating?
A lot of website promoters would pay $300 for a Yahoo directory listing just for the Google boost, irregardless of traffic results from the directory.
Excuse me if I'm speaking out of ignorance since I never saw fit to use the Yahoo Directory, but I have to ask what other bystanders like myself are probably wondering.
[edited by: mayor at 11:30 pm (utc) on Oct. 9, 2002]
Its actually the stupidest thing I have ever seen a search engine do. You care about making all the searchers happy? Really?
Which will make you more happy then, go to google, see a few small ads and the same results, or go to Yahoo and see google with Ads every single place you look, top4, bottom2, right, banners .
Yahoo is now a desacrated with ads google. You think that helps their corporate image, stock value or visitors enjoyment? If they really cared about that, they would take down their ads, Write Google at the top of the page, and then their users would be truly happy.
Yahoo=Google with ads spammed all over it. When the rest of the world figures that out, they will begin to understand you only make money by being unique. You have to have something everyone else does not. They used to have human editors. Now they have Google (which everyone else has, and Google themselves!)
Google with ads everywhere...hmm...I'll just use google.
Note: Third-party search engine providers may include listings for which the third party has received payment to review and/or include the site within its database. (Please note: The third-party web sites listed within the Directory and third-party search results are not owned by Yahoo!.)
Gone from horrible to apocylpse. Wait, what am I complaing about other than the few grand I lost, I do great in Google too!
All hail the iron fist of Google.
Let them know what they've done wrong.
Not sure about that one. On Tuesday there was close to 200 new business listings accepted into Yahoo. Lemme see at $300 a pop lets call it $60 grand. I don't know how simple of a business decision that is..
Next step, ICANN-Google venture?
You may think it's good, 'cause Google is good.
And, well, you may also stop, why not, watching TV news, listening radios, reading newspapers.
Google is great.
We have Google, we have all.
We are Google.
- repeat 3 times with a cyborg voice -
I just submited a site this morning.
Time for a chargeback
AAAHHH...finally, the most intelligent method I ever heard of for getting listed on Yahoo. Since their listings are so bad and never updated, just submit to them, use credit card, do a chargeback, do you really think the person at billing will remember to tell the directory guy to pull it out? No way, you're in you're in for good...
I love it!
PS The reason I have this attitude to yahoo is I once paid their expen$ive fee and didn't get in and the guy was really rude about it. Although I now understand that the site I submitted wasn't that user friendly when I submitted it, as a small non-profit site it's a lot of money to spend to not get in and then be treated rudely by the guy as he rejects you. (It wasn't spam site or anything bad, just poorly designed).
Having said that - a monopoly is never a good thing - it's like we just got kicked in the stomach by the last update & now this is like a kick in the head while your down.
I can't imagine why Yahoo would do that - it won't improve Yahoo's number of visitors much, Yahoo is a brand name & people use it because they always have. What they will lose is the $299 directory fees. Given that they make over $1million a week on that little operation - they could see a huge drop in revenues.
Congrats to Google though - they deserve all the success that comes their way - gotta hand it to them.
Well in the last week I have had loads & loads of non-relevant visitors from google - seems like our site is good for any search except for searches that relate to what we are about - so I guess it's going to be mirrored by Yahoo searches now. Had a real good position in Yahoo - oh well. Of course it'll be great when we get our position in Google back from the abyss.
Yeah...a webmaster friend submitted 2 sites to Yahoo in February and was denied a listing. He did a chargeback on the credit card and Yahoo has not challanged to this date. They probably don't even know which site the charge originated from.
NoCarrier - Not completely true. I have a fairly new site that was #1 in Y! for my search term...had all the search phrase in the title. Now it does not exist. When Google updates this month it will. So why do I need to pay? I don't.
Thirdly - I'm glad they went with Google - but I would of been equally pleased with Fast or even the new Wisenut index which is shaping up nicely. After all, it's important to have some real COMPETITION in any business.....
I wonder how this may affect Google, as now people do not need to go to Google they can check their emails through Yahoo and get a valid and accurate search from Yahoo now.
A search for my key term has millions of results... and there are only 50 sites on the Yahoo directory page. Fifty. How many people will click the red arrow to lead to "more sites: directly on this topic"? I don't know, but if you aren't there, you are making a major error. It does depend on the category of course, with smaller ones more valuable, but if you aren't on the first page of the results, you definitely should be in the directory.
It used to be that you could pay $299 to be displayed on a default page with pretty non-relevant results. Now for $299 you get to that irrelevant results page by clicking the Directory link in the upper right, but you also get a direct link from the red arrows next to whatever are the top search results on the default search, and that red arrow link is to the much more useful dir.yahoo.com page not the more gibberishy search.yahoo.com/search/dir page.
In general, this is a huge improvement across the board for those in the directory -- and obviously more so if the Yahoo directory takes ODPs place as the Google Directory. The only people hurt are those who are in the directory who happened to rank well on the search.yahoo.com/search/dir page.
The way I see it, I am always now one click away from people being able to see my listing, and that is awesome (partly because the Yahoo editors did okay with my description).
The only downside I see is there will be more !mysite.com listings to get at the top of the alphabetical lists.