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I disagreed because that path didn't fit into Google's Mission Statement which is simply to organize information. Everything Google does fits neatly into that matrix, including adwords and adsense (which distribute information relevant to a search query and context).
So keeping the Mission Statement in mind, it made sense that this move had more to do with obtaining more information about domain names than anything else.
The questions I have are:
The reason I think Google would consider this is that a huge amount of new business can be attracted in this sector, both on the hosting side and the advertising side, well within Google's overarching mission of organizing the world's information and making it easy to find.
Then again, maybe not.
It may be that Google is positioning itself to host small business "storefronts"
That's the only real conclusion I could come up with when I found out they had become a registrar. With MSN chasing them down, I think they probably want do diversify a little bit. If MSN search takes over, Google has no other source of income (aside from providing "information") and that's not a good plan for the long term.
I could definately see an "Ecommerce powered by Google" in the future.
My sources at Google won't comment... of course :)
"... we have no plans to register domains at this time, we believe this information can help us increase the quality of our search results."
How to interpret G$-doublespeak:
"no plans" = no pre-written itinerary, but that does not limit G$ from having possible intent, even currently.
"at this time" = G$ may may very well write up such plans at any other later time, after making the comment.
why would Google enter such a low margin commodity type business?
It may be low margin, but it would be easy for them to implement, and down the road, as Google becomes more and more of a portal, it could be a cheap way of enhancing their presence.
I don't think being a registrar gives them too much of a technological advantage, but I think it's a good business edge.
>3. REGISTRAR OBLIGATIONS.
3.1 Obligations to Provide Registrar Services. During the Term of this Agreement, Registrar agrees that it will operate as a registrar for each TLD for which it is accredited by ICANN in accordance with this Agreement.
ICANN loses quite a bit of credibility if you can just "buy in" for the purpose of data access.
Sounds kinda fishy.
There's only one reason for this discussion - everyone's worst fear about what Google will do with instant access to this information is __________________________?
Based on their results for the last 18 months or so (which I'm not impressed with, regardless of how well I rank), my fear is simply they'll somehow apply this info to their algo INCORRECTLY...
When a domain expires and changes hands, Fausett said, Google can now more easily find, scan and index the new site
So Im thinking you can no longer buy a old domain / website to beat the sandbox? Because google might* consider it a new website after the domain changes hand.
Any thoughts about this?
They already had the daily zone files (eg: all the whois info was avail to them already) - what more could they need?There is no WHOIS data in the daily zone files. The daily zonefiles only contain the domain names and the nameserver data. The WHOIS data is separate and many registrars offer copies of their bulk WHOIS data for a fee. It would be possible for Google, given their financial resources, to assemble a comprehensive copy of the whois data for the gTLDs. However access to the ccTLD zones and whois data is more controlled especially in Europe where data privacy legislation is stronger.
I've been working on this domain/nameserver to country mapping for the last five years using zonefile data and there is a lot more to it than just having the zonefile data.
I am giving away secrets here but hardly anyone will read this post I hope.
At the moment google let .info expired domains slip past and for .org domains they give the pr back after one or 2 updates.Also these domains were not subject to the "sandbox".They may now move on these tlds.
So the trick is buy expired foreign domains and you are safe from having the pr reset.
I have already done this with success.
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1. Resold domain data - does some central body keep a record of this
if not, then WHOIS changes must be the trigger to say a domain has changed hands. If so then,
2. What if a company changed it's legal title and/or moved premises - it would need to update it's WHOIS data - surely that would be classed as a sale?
This is all obviously speculation, but does anyone have any views..
When you sign up for a new domain and choose proxy service, you are asked to enter what appears to be registrant whois data (which then gets proxied). Is that proxied immediately? Yes, if all goes well. But what if all doesn't go perfectly? What if the proxy service pauses and kicks in a few hours later? Or what if you lapse your proxy subscription? Or transfer to a new account, also proxied? Is the original registrant data ever submitted to whois? Is anything?
I asked these tough questions of the company that almost advertised twice on superbowl sunday. The answers convinced me that it might be wisest to insert plausibly accurate but perhaps-not-exactly-revealing registrant data when buying your domain, and putting that same data back in prior to executing any transfers or renewals, especially if the transfer is to a different proxy service.
You can do your own research, but when G has immediate access to the real-deal whois listing service, I believe it pays to be cautious and ask the tough questions.