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Norton Internet Security includes Personal Firewall - PF blocks everything!

     

Gabor

6:10 pm on Jan 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



I'm not sure if you know about this because I couldn't see a thread anywhere...

In the advanced settings of Norton, there is a list of URL strings that cause a URL to be blocked....

Here's part of them:

#CLink
%23CLink
%2Fads%2E
%3Fad%2E
&ad_
&banner=
-ad.cgi
.ads/
.ad.
.ads.
.ads/
.bluestreak.com
.eshop.
.net-on.com
.webconnect.net
/199.78.52.
/?ad.
/ad-
/.ad.
/ad/
/ad_control
/ad.image
/ad.track/
/adbot.
/adclient.
/adcontent.
/adcouncil/
/adgifs/
/adgraph/
/adimages/
/adinfo
/adjuggler
/adlog.
/adman.
/adnet.
/adnet/
/adpics/
/adpopup
/adproof/
/aredirect
/adrevolver/
/ads-
/ads.
/ads/
/adsales
/adserv
/adspace
/adsrc
/adv/
/advert/
/advertentie
/advertise/
/advertiser/
/advertising/
/adverts/
/adview.
/banner.
/banner/
/banner=
/banner_images/
/banners/
/by.banclk?
/clickover.
/cyberfirst
/follow_ad?
/generate_ad.
/graphics/advert
/htmlad/
/jbanner/
/liveads/
/nph-bounce?
/nph-load?
/nph-redir?
/promo_gif/
/promos/
/promote/
/promotions/
/rankem.cgi?action=
/sponsor.
/sponsor/
/sponsors/
/videobanners/
/viewad/
1-2-free.com
199.172.144.25/2
?acb=acb
?ad.cgi
?ad=
?Adcode=
?adlink
?adserv
?adv=
?advertID=
_ad.
_ads/
a32.g.a.yimg.com/7
ad.doubleclick.net
ad.infoseek.com
ad.linkexchange.com
ad.preferences.com
ad.tw.doubleclick.net/ad/
adbanner
adbot.com
adcenter.in2.com
AdClick
adcount.hollywood.com
adlink.htm
adlink.preferences.com
adman.medius.net
adoptimizer
adredir.asp
ads.adsmart.net
ads.clickagents.com
ads.imagine-inc.com

and others:
ads.imdb.com
ads.infospace.com
ads.lycosasia.com.sg/realmedia/ads/
ads.narrowline.com
ads.realmedia.com
ads.softbank.net
ads.usatoday.com
ads.washingtonpost.com
ads.web.aol.com
ads.web21.com
adserver.adtech.de
advertisements
advertising.com
alladvantage.com/go.asp?refid=
allpolitics.com/ads/
ar.atwola.com
badservant.guj.de
banner_ad
bannerad
bannerexchange.com
bannerpower.com
bannerswap.com
bf_home_ad
bfast.com/booklink
cc-dt.com
click1.wisewire.com
click100.genesis.com
click2.wisewire.com
click2net.com
clk_thru^
commonwealth.riddler.com
count4all.com
crosswalk.com/click.ng/transactionid=
dirtycash.com
ds.cybereps.com
exchange-it.com/click.go?
eyeblasterscript
fastclick.net/w/click.here
findcommerce.com/tracking
flycast.com
focalink.com
geoad?
globaltrack.com
globaltrak.net
hg1.hitbox.com
home.keyciti.com/addd2000/ok.shtml
[us.i1.yimg.com...]
images/mainad
imgis.com
impartner.de/cgi-bin/
infoback.net
infoseek.com/redirect
java.yahoo.com/a/1-/flash
java.yahoo.com/a/1-/java
java.yahoo.com/a/a-/flash
java.yahoo.com/a/a-/java
linkexchange.com
linksynergy.com
mantel/
maxcash.cgi?
mediahits.com/click.fcg
mediaserv.247media.com
mirror.qkimg.net
movielink.com/media/imagelinks/mf.ad
movielink.com/media/imagelinks/mf.sponsor
netads.hotwired.com
netbanner.com/cgi-bin/
nrsite.com
pagecount.com
pathfinder.com/r0/marketing
pathfinder.com/sponsors
pegasoweb.com
pennyweb.com
progcgi/ads
qksrv.net
rd.yahoo.com/m=2
rd.yahoo.com/m=3
rd.yahoo.com/m=4
rd.yahoo.com/m=5
rd.yahoo.com/m=6
rds.yahoo.com/m=0
rds.yahoo.com/m=1
rds.yahoo.com/m=7
rds.yahoo.com/m=8
rds.yahoo.com/m=9
register-it.netscape.com/
rmbclick.com/
rn11.com
safe-audit.com
service.bfast.com
showad.asp
smartclicks.com
spinbox.
stats.hitbox.com
submit-it.com/images
telecom-pros.com/images
texchange.com/cgi-bin/
tracker.clicktrade.com
tracker.tradedoubler.com
us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a
valueclick.com
vk4voam2y
vwwzjwwlv9m2cr
websponsors.com/cgi-bin/
webunion.com/cgi-localbin/click.cgi?
ww3.cybercity.com.tw/adexe/
www.247media.com.tw
www.admax.com.tw/
www.admax.com/
www.ads.warnerbros.com
www.anonymizer.com/cm/door.cgi?
www.asiad.net/
www.banner.com.tw/
www.bannerwomen.com
www.clickadhere.com/
www.clickxchange.com/fr.phtml
www.cyberone.com.tw
www.epaper.com.tw/cgi-bin/adm/ad_red
www.halee.com/advert/
www.link4link.com/cgi-bin/
www.marketspace
www.modchip.com/clickcgi/click.cgi?
www.netvigator.com.tw/popad/
www.nj.com/adverts
www.nrsite.com
www.search.com/banners
www.warehouse.com/netbuyer/ticker/
www.whispa.com/tracking/
www.wishing.com/webaudit/
yahoo.com/adv/
yahoo.com/categoryid=0
yimg.com/images/compliance/

Adsense is displaying but it is unclickable.
Basically any banners with the sie of 468X60 are blocked.

I don't like it!

Jenstar

2:10 am on Jan 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member jenstar is a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



The main problem with Norton is that ad blocking is turned on by default. Many people don't even realize that they are affected by this "feature" at all, since it is automatically running. Users must go into the Norton options to turn off the ad blocking.

Here are some other threads since this "feature" has been added (noticed here first back in October)
AdSense invisible to Norton Internet Security Users [webmasterworld.com]

NAV 2004 & ad blocking [webmasterworld.com]

wayne

2:08 pm on Feb 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



The way I understand it, the blocking isn't just
happening with banners, but with text link also.
Even if you are using a regular affiliate link,
if the link includes certain words, the whole link
will be wiped out and a blank space will replace it.
Webmasters need to pay for their costs of keeping
up their website.

Catalyst

5:09 pm on Feb 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



I have been trying to spread the word about this in all the forums. but somehow missed this one.

1st, the title of this thread is wrong. Norton AV does not block, it's Norton Internet Security and also the Personal Firewall software that does it. This software is coming BUNDLED with many new computers and yes the default is set to BLOCK ADS, even though this is sold as a "security" product, not an ad blocker.

It not only wipes out banners but EVEN your site logo and other regular images if they happen to be any of the standard banner sized images.

It also deletes text link and STRIPS YOUR SOURCE CODE and can totally change the content of your page.

When I say strips your source code, that's what I mean too.
Even if the user contacts you to find out why there are big blank spots on your site and no "buy" links... If you tell them to turn off the ad blocker and hit refresh the page still will not load properly. The code is stripped at the source.

One company in one of the forums listed above almost has software finished that will prevent Norton from blocking your site. The other forum has links to contact the FTC and other places to complain basically for restriction of trade. Here it is.

FTC Consumer Complaint Form: [rn.ftc.gov...] FTC site content Fair Trade Act 2002 Quote: Article 10

No monopolistic enterprises shall:

directly or indirectly prevent any other enterprises from competing by unfair means; improperly set, maintain or change the price for goods or the remuneration for services; make a trading counterpart give preferential treatment without justification; or otherwise abuse its market power.

There are a bunch of other good suggestions in the forum links above for anyone who wants to take action and try to find solutions or report this.

HeHe, one guy even found a way to put Mcaffee messages behind all his links so if his links won't display, underneath it says "if you can't see the links then Norton IS is blocking content and won't let you access parts of this site. Please dump Norton and go buy McAffee and this page will load properly" or something to that effect.

Linda

[edited by: Drastic at 6:19 pm (utc) on Feb. 18, 2004]
[edit reason] no links to your own sites please [/edit]

Catalyst

11:26 pm on Feb 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



Well now my thread makes about as much sense with all the examples stripped out as an affiliate page after Norton strips it. If anyone else had done all the research and testing and made all the examples to help people see and understand this issue I would have linked elsewhere, but to my knowledge no one has.

Over 20 threads on other forums are using those examples and people are rallying and trying to come up with solutions because a pic is worth a thousand words and the examples help people understand the damage. Sorry I broke the rules, I was only trying to help!

creepychris

4:17 am on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



I'm not sure if Norton is still blocking Google Adsense, but it would be ironic since Google is blocking everybody else's popups. I always thought that that was a little but uncompetetive of Google.

Yes, I was very happy when Google killed somebody else's popup when I was on their site, but now that the show is on the other foot and I am an adsense publisher . . .

amznVibe

4:24 am on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



Norton did not write their personal firewall.
It's based on At-Guard which I still use to this day, and it blocks adsense (and I like it that way).

If Norton stopped blocking adsense by default, all that would have to be done is a third party ruleset to import. There will be plenty of those hosted by everyone that makes popup blockers.

Adsense can even be blocked by using the HOSTS file which is a core part of Windows, and it's incredibly easy.

nativenewyorker

6:30 am on Feb 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



Gabor said:

Right now Norton is stealing from my income and from the income of many other webmasters who run contant sites!

It is amazing how many websites promote software that erase cookies and block ads. These webmasters go after one sale by promoting this type of software and risk losing dozens of future sales from repeat visitors. Don't they realize that they are only hurting themselves by doing this?

bscm

5:11 am on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)



For some weeks I have been checking some affiliate boards checking for info related to this.
Finally yesterday I found a link to a software that prevents Norton and other ad blockers from blocking the ads.

I tried it for 30 minutes and I bought it, it works great.

[edited by: Drastic at 4:35 pm (utc) on Feb. 20, 2004]
[edit reason] no urls please [/edit]

cyanweb

11:08 am on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

10+ Year Member



Can this sort of thing be ground for class action by webmaster owners and advertising companies as it is in fact "tampering with our sites" and changing it's intended appearance without our permission and is robbing us of revenues...

Together the webmasters, webmistresses and advertising companies can class action against those interfering with our businesses?

I mean - blocking pop up "intrusive" advertising is one thing - but "blocking all 468x60 images" is another... making it a commercial enterprise to put other people out of business is illegal is it not?

MatthewHSE

12:37 pm on Feb 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



making it a commercial enterprise to put other people out of business is illegal is it not?

Actually, I think there would only be a case if it could be proven that Norton was attempting to create a monopoly of some sort. Simply offering a product or service, which happens to put someone out of business, is not illegal. I imagine a lot of carriage manufacturers went out of business when cars came along.

Still, it's a shame that software can be provided on such a wide basis that blocks so much of the user's online experience without so much as their approval. I mean, do you know how many NIS users don't even realize they're missing something?

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