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1:54 pm on Jul 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

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I see the ODP recently went over 3.5 million sites and over 50,000 editors.
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what amazes me is the catagories are unless than editors, yet there is an enormous number of "this category needs an editor".
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The number of categories on the front page is currently incorrect (it can't really be a negative number, can it? ;)).

The number of editors given is the cumulative number since the existence of the directory. Every person who ever added a single site is included here. The number of currently active editors usually oscillates somewhere between 6000 and 8000, depending on the criteria you want to use for declaring someone "currently active" (eg. logged in and edited within the last 1-4 months).

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Its certainly a large jump from the previous amount.

GO ON THE ODP

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What amazes me is that ODP doesn't offer a "new sites added" feature, like Yahoo does. Man, that would come in handy.
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Hey, welcome Tara.

New sites would be interesting.

When did they roll over 3.5 million? Was that just this week?

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wow... must have been all that editing i did yesterday;)
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>>a "new sites added" feature...<<

Tara - You're certainly one of the people who make best use of it. Welcome to the board, and a special thank you for your newsletter....

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Oh, you're very welcome! I'm very happy if my site is of some use to you.

But I'd still like a new sites feature on Dmoz. :-> Right now what I do is monitor some categories with WebSite Watcher, but that's tedious and I know I'm missing some things (I only monitor about eleven categories.)

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well those 3.5 million still dont include me so they can go @!#%$ ...
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As for a new sites added feature - I believe that would be rather pointless, seeing as people edit a cat in a bunch usually, so at one time that page would basically be clogged up with all the new sites added from one cat.
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I hear ya Dpeper!

I got an e-mail from an editor stating that her cat wasn't appropriate for my site. I wrote her back to inform her that I could put the cat description at the top of my home page as a summary of my site! :-II

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Since the dmoz.org site is not really meant for end users, a "new sites" feature is very unlikely to appear there in the forseeable future. Too much effort and server strain just to satisfy some impatient webmasters (sorry if this means you... ;))

If I remember correctly, then Lycos had such a feature at one time, where they would highlight all sites that had been added between their last two updates. In fact, I really think this is something that should be implemented by the data users, if at all, and not the ODP itself.

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<well those 3.5 million still dont include me so they can go @!#%$ ...>

I'm with you Dpeper. I've been waiting at least eight months. :(

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8 months?!
I am still trying since years, my site has changed, the ODP has changed every thing has changed but the Editor is the same, A be to full mind is he??
But he will get my submission every 3 months. and we will see.
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After 7 months my site is still not included in the category (an editor exists).
My site was added to Yahoo and many others SE wihtout paying.
It's contain quality information.
I'm fed up to re-submit my site every 2 months.
My PR is 6 without being in Dmoz, what can i expect if i'm in dmoz ?
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PR7 or 8 over the long term!

ADDED ... just started today cataloging PR of DMOZ cats and comparing to the original PR when pages were accepted.

All but one went up a full PR level and 3 went up 2 levels.

I'm assuming that clones are helping this!

Ultimately the increase PR will assist client sites as well.

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What do you mean by " a full PR level " ?
So my next battle is to be add to Dmoz
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fewer than 100 backlinks will be pr 5 or below
100-500 range = pr 6, occassionally 5 or 7
500-3000 range = pr 7, occasionally 6 or 8
3000-12000 = pr 8, occasionally 7 or 9
12000-50000 = pr 9, sometimes 7 or 9
above 50000 = pr likely 9 or 10, occasionally 8

1 cat was a PR3 now PR5
2 cat was a PR4 now PR6

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fathom - I'm not quite following you but I want to, because it looks like really interesting stuff.

just started today cataloging PR of DMOZ cats and comparing to the original PR when pages were accepted.

All but one went up a full PR level and 3 went up 2 levels.

Just to get the syntax straight, are you saying that you're cataloging the PR of DMOZ cats, or that you're cataloging the PR of sites listed in DMOZ cats. I assume you mean that it's the PR of the sites that is going up, but your antecedents aren't clear.

fewer than 100 backlinks will be pr 5 or below
100-500 range = pr 6, occassionally 5 or 7
etc...

Ditto, are you talking here about the number of backlinks a site has, or a DMOZ cat has? Again, are you saying that the PR of the cats themselves is going up over time, or that the PR of the sites listed in the cats is going up?

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What about applying to be an editor? You may find quite a few sites to add.
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Just to get the syntax straight, are you saying that you're cataloging the PR of DMOZ cats, or that you're cataloging the PR of sites listed in DMOZ cats. I assume you mean that it's the PR of the sites that is going up, but your antecedents aren't clear.

As I only submit pages to DMOZ I keep a log of:
1. page submitted
2. date submitted
3. which cat
4. no#1 of current listings
5. anchor text (page title submitted)
6. description submitted
7. current page PR

and then monitor log files.

once listed
7. anchor and description listed by editor
8. Cat PR
9. add link on the page to directory cat

when googlebot crawls page, remove link.

10. monitor backlinks in AllTheWeb.com when a DMOZ clone appears with grey google bar, submit to google.

11. after each google crawl edit log PR's page and cats, any new listings etc.
12. note when added to google directories.

Although most clones turn out to be PR0 have found many PR4 - 6, a few PR7's and 1 PR8.

All but regional listing in DMOZ cats increased since June crawl and so has many of my pages.

Ditto, are you talking here about the number of backlinks a site has, or a DMOZ cat has? Again, are you saying that the PR of the cats themselves is going up over time, or that the PR of the sites listed in the cats is going up?

actually both, my page backlinks grow proportional to DMOZ cat backlinks in most instances. The clones point to DMOZ, my pages (as well as my competitors within the cats).

Although other sites listed gain PR as well (and you could say at my expense) the rewards are far greater.

Each month DMOZ back links inducing higher PR some of which is transferred to my pages. My backlinks grow as well increasing my own PR which is transferred to other sites in association.

Even on cats that are PR1 or 2, all it means is "not enough backlinks", you can easily induce PR since clones are a dime a dozen! The best cats therefore are the ones with the least listings, more PR for me and generally faster acceptence in DMOZ.

In general, (although I don't track) I have far more DMOZ listings than any competitor. (some day maybe this will be common knowledge and they'll paid me for all the hard work I did for them for free).

(NOTE: twenty years in submarines allows you to "fathom" things from the bottom up).

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What about applying to be an editor? You may find quite a few sites to add.

Considered that... but a biased opinion.

Don't mind competition, but if given the power would remove all the PR0 sites!

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3,553,877 sites...

Is that 3,553,877 sites waiting to be reviewed?

ODP are an unresponsive hulking giant. Give it some money or give it a rest.

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fathom - Thanks. I sometimes find myself asking whether I should be optimizing the pages that link to me. Now, how to boost the PR of those DMOZ categories? ;)
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I know what you mean - I've pondered that same thought for some exceptionally designed (content, nav and usability) sites that I sit 200 listings down 500 - 1000 links page (with PR1).

But they do share!!!

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Congrats to DMOZ, now the editors need to take out all the 404's :)
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There is an automated system that scans all odp entries every few months and red-marks all 404 entries. This generates tens of thousands of entries every time. It's amazing how 'fluid' the web is. People change page urls seemingly for the sake of it, don't leave redirects; or don't pay their hosting fees, or go out of business, or change their domain name. It is a lot of work to keep up with all this.
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Dmoz is pretty useless IMHO. It brings us little traffic, they don't respond to my emails surrounding a rejected application to be an editor (I applied to be an editor for the small town in which I am based, which had no editor, but was told my selection was too broad), and there are numerous reports of unreviewed submissions. What's worse, they still have editors on there freely adding multiple links to their own pages (multiple pages from within one domain, I'm meaning)...

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Dmoz is pretty useless IMHO. It brings us little traffic, they don't respond to my emails surrounding a rejected application to be an editor (I applied to be an editor for the small town in which I am based, which had no editor, but was told my selection was too broad), and there are numerous reports of unreviewed submissions. What's worse, they still have editors on there freely adding multiple links to their own pages (multiple pages from within one domain, I'm meaning)...

As DMOZ is primarily a research directory it is quite possible that little research is needed in some categories.

For a client - Just 1 page from 1 site gets 300+ visitors a day (although not from DMOZ) the same listings now appears in AOL directory and #1 SERP in google both of which are directly associated with the DMOZ acceptance.

As far as the application to become an editor at DMOZ and the response was too broad, might I suggest reapplying and being more focused.

In addition, some web masters apply just to list their pages and this tends to reflect your

they still have editors on there freely adding multiple links to their own pages

Try again, for the right reasons, you will be accepted... broad can mean you wish to do the same as the above example. Starting small (1 category/sub cat) allows creditability to be developed before letting you loose to help everyone!

[edited by: fathom at 9:11 pm (utc) on July 14, 2002]

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