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The August 2001 Google Update Has Begun

www2 is showing the beginnings of a new index

     
5:44 am on Aug 20, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I'm starting to see the dance! Anyone else noticed anything?

Its funny, though. www3 is showing more results for my search term than either wwww or www2, but www2 has more links to my domain.

6:06 am on Aug 20, 2001 (gmt 0)

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It has begun indeed. I checked www2 and it shows cached pages from the 6th of August.

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On the ball this month again :)
Yes www2 has re-indexed.
Just curious, is anybody keeping checks on exact date google re-indexes spiders etc, as if we put the info together could come up with some really interesting stuff.
I suppose we could look back into the wmw archives too.
One question i would like to put to people...i believe dmoz is more important to google than yahoo!
Any thoughts on this?
11:24 am on Aug 20, 2001 (gmt 0)

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>> is anybody keeping checks on exact date google re-indexes spiders etc <<

Seems broadly to be between 19th-23rd... at least as far as the first iteration is concerned(usually www2).

>> i believe dmoz is more important to google than yahoo! <<

My experience is that there is not much in it... but if I had to call one or the other, however, I would probably agree with you.

11:32 am on Aug 20, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Credit goes to Grnidone for the discovery. When she told me her theory - I laughed. It's panned out now for a year straight - she gets the last laugh ;-)

The Google update occurrs on every new moon. (19th is the new moon).

Every month for a year.

Google Reindexes 2001 (Also a chart of New Moons)
Jan 24
[webmasterworld.com...]
Feb 23
[webmasterworld.com...]
March 25
[webmasterworld.com...]
April 23
[webmasterworld.com...]
May 23
[webmasterworld.com...]
June 21
[webmasterworld.com...]
July 20
[webmasterworld.com...]
August 19
[webmasterworld.com...]

11:33 am on Aug 20, 2001 (gmt 0)

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New site section/pages last updated 28July - but first put up a bit before that, are also just now showing on www3. So July additions are already showing (site was already in). Other changes also showing on 3.
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eeek
if this holds true than my just lifted +20 penalty has come back on me. Only now itīs a +50 penalty for the index page and a get-lost penalty for all other pages.
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>> if this holds true than my just lifted +20 penalty has come back on me. Only now itīs a +50 penalty for the index page and a get-lost penalty for all other pages. <<

Yes... we are still seeing changes in this area.

By a "get-lost" penalty, I assume you mean that the 'offending' page(s) have been removed from the index entirely.

This is exactly what has happened to those of my pages that were still penalised with +20 with the current index.

In the last few weeks I have seen recovery for some of the sites originally hit on the 7th July and the total removal of others.

For some of the removed pages the high level url of the same name has been simultaneously recovered!

This indicates that the penalty (removal) is at least sub-directory by sub-directory rather than URL by URL.

I have yet to establish what exactly is different about the removed pages (and no, I have not employed any 'funny business' on them). This is the real mystery for me... the apparent inconsistency.

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Certainly much activity going on.

i resubmitted on 10th August - is that too late to be included in the new update?

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>> i resubmitted on 10th August - is that too late to be included in the new update? <<

We are looking at a cut-off of 6th Aug, except for those sites identified as high page rank (see different thread)... which may creep in at any time.

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Napoleon
right now on www2 all pages are dropped from the index with the exception of the index.html. Although some of those pages are listed in the google directory.
Google makes a good 30% of SE driven traffic for me.
You are right about the inconsistency: penalised on July 7, more severely with the last update, inbetween a lifting of penalization, now a mortal blow...
whatīs the game?
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Thanks Napoleon.

> We are looking at a cut-off of 6th Aug

Another agonising 30 days to go then - nightmare - unless Google finds more sites linking to me ;)

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>> whatīs the game? <<

The sites (actually sub-sites) that have been chopped are those for which the +20 penalty remained after the relaxation a couple of weeks ago.

It's as though instead of +20, they are now applying removal from the index instead.

Fine on one level, because in my markets +20 is effectively a killer. On another level though I cannot be certain why the sites they have hit have been hit.

We theorised in some detail in previous threads, and I took the actions necessary to protect against this problem (eg: IP address links, orphans, etc).

This, or something, had a positive effect in some cases, but not in others. It is this difference that surprises me... especially as I was anticipating total recovery this time.

As far as I can see, the remaining problematic sites are totally clean on all previously discussed criteria for a penalty (and indeed are relatively new). Maybe some residue damage counter is retained? Don't know.

I'll now have to think about all the theories again (my head aches!).

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>It's as though instead of +20, they are now applying removal from the index instead.
Thatīs a possibility. In that case the steps I took were simply not effective.

>As far as I can see, the remaining problematic sites are totally clean on all previously discussed criteria for a penalty
So are mine. Iīm right back at the beginning. The only thing preventing me from getting really angry is that I`m forced to go through all aspects of SEO for Google again and again. Canīt hurt.

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As of this morning I have 547 pages of a new site listed in Googles main index and pulling traffic.

I was beginning to get the feeling I was going to have to wait another 30 days.

Great positions too in competetive areas. Time for me to sit back and wait for the cheques to come in...

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well done zero6
I too have found this update most favourable
hail the god of google
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After three months out of the index (no reason could be found), all 13,000+ pages from my site are back! I unreservedly withdraw everything I said under my breath about Google these last few weeks...
2:59 pm on Aug 20, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Wow.

What an update.

I'm thinking of renovating the spare room into a shrine for Google... prayer rugs all over the place, incense, spots strategically placed... that kind of thing.

They were very, very good to me this time.

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up 9 places on our toughest keyword...43 out of 2 million isn't disastrous...hopefully my re-design will be uploaded before the next spidering
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Wish I could say the same. My first attempt at a totally optimized page entered at 74 / 400,000. Oh well, it is a learning process!
4:24 pm on Aug 20, 2001 (gmt 0)

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Noted the update,

www & www1. are giving the old results and www2. & www.3 are giving the same results, however not the new, as i checked them two hours ago, and literally before writing this and they had changed, so i don't think the update is stable yet !

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Am in the top 10 for all 30 of my search terms in www.2 ... Yeeha! (Thanks to all of you at WmW and your pearls of wisdom). How long does it take until the results show on regular Google?
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Nothing has moved for us yet, but some are still holding at #1 so that's good! We just put in a bunch of new stuff before the last crawl so we'll keep our fingers crossed.
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The update is incredible for me on one domain. Every page is ranking top 10 for its respective keywords. Ten page site, VERY themed, the only link in is from yahoo's directory (spent the $200, got in). I hope this sticks in the live update....

Thank you forums for the advice!!!

What is the +20 penalty spoken of above?
Thanks!

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I've added new keywords and the update shows good placment for those phrases. I can't wait to see if they turn into referrals.

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Hello SubmissoR
and congrats to your positions.
The +20 penalty is a mere joke. Itīs something the mighty google gods, oh pardon, I meant GOOGLE GODS, have invented to their enjoyment, to laugh their ass off. It comes over you like a tornado comes out of the blue sky. Now the funniest part for them is that we humble humans have absolutely no idea whatīs happening: why me? goes the screaming. How delightful! To add some pepper the game has just been renamed: now itīs not +20 anymore, itīs go-get-lost! Hahahaha they go...
erm, well, here is the thread [webmasterworld.com]
10:52 pm on Aug 20, 2001 (gmt 0)

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I am getting signs that yahoo google is updating, still not getting anything from the main google.com
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I now how you feel heine, 300+ pages vanished now only my index page listed.
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I've been busted too, and I don't know why. I spend a lot of time at the webmaster's forums learning what not to do ... how to play by the rules. Now, only my home page remains on a site that I thought was pretty clean.

Alta Vista has been notorius for this too ... banning sites with reckless abandon. I believe part of their demise was a result of an adversarial relationship with this webmaster community. Now it looks like Google is following suite. So I say don't turn your back to Google.

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I am assuming that www is the only url typical users are going to -- I have noticed that google had the new database on www only for a short time today and then they switched back to the old one. does anyone know how many hours on 20th www had the new database which is now on www2.google.com.

also any ideas on when www will stabilize with the new database and when yahoo will start using the new database?

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