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A mate of was at Liverpool Uni and I went up there for a visit one weekend, he was always a bit odd in an eccentric way, but his behavour that weekend freaked me out.
He kept saying a man was talking to him and telling him to do things, yeah right. We were walking down a street and he said the voice had told him we were about to be stopped by police, before we got to the end of street a police car appeared and we were stopped and questioned.
Odd but there you are, we were in a rough part of town.
Roll on the evening, he couldnt settle down and kept saying that he must remove the Koran from under the floor. After about 4 hours of this I agreed to help up the carpet and the floor boards. The carpet was nailed down and very old, the floor boards were in a similar condition.
Undereneath, was Koran covered in dust.
I left at first light and didnt sleep at all, Long shot was he was sectioned shortly after that event.
Ive seen the guy twice since that day ('93) prior to that event we were inseperable really good mates.
[edited by: Essex_boy at 7:30 pm (utc) on Jan. 18, 2009]
Plato said Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.
That's a great quote, but on a forum titled "Foo" it seems OK to be foolish OR wise, or both.
A few years ago while browsing around the neighborhood business district my wife struck up a conversation with an older, "grandfatherly" man who was resting on a bench because he was tired out. He told her he'd flown up from San Diego I think, to explore the area for the day, and was looking for someone to talk to. I think they got on the subject of travel, and he said he'd travelled all over the world while in the military, in some Defense Intelligence group that specialized in telepathy, to gather intelligence. That was his job, and now he was retired from it. She came home and told me, "I just had the strangest conversation..." There was more to the story but I can't recall now... I'll have to ask her about it. Interesting subject.
The exception is my brother. His firm belief was that death is the end, full stop. He died last October, and it was a month or so before I realised that I'd not had the previous experiences with him.
None of this is any 'proof' of anything for anyone else. It's not even much proof of anything for me, since there is a part of my mind that can rationalise anything to nothing.
[Edit for spelling of 'corporeal']
[edited by: AlexK at 8:57 am (utc) on Jan. 22, 2009]
As i was on the brink of falling asleep i heard a very noticable, loud, exhale in my left ear... it wasnt like i heard it in the room with both ears and could detect its direction.. i knew it was my left ear.
and i knew it was through nostrils... it just had the nostril exhale noise to it..
I sleep near the edge of the bed, so it sounded like it was right there...
i thought it was one of my kids, so blindly i felt around with my hand to eventually grab one of my kids noggins and realize it was them... no one was there.
i tried to duplicate it exhale with my own breath, could not do it.
someone was there at my bed.... good or bad, i dont know but i heard it breathe.
....So sorry I made the mistake of posting here,
Don't take it personally, when you draw outside the lines of what society considers "normal," you are bound to have workers come in and paint it white. People fear and discredit what we don't understand, it's our nature to have everything explainable.
My wife is around a lot of people who have experienced paranormal events, so personally, everything there is third party. But there is a lot of it, and with multiple witnesses. No psychedelics involved. :-)
My most profound personal experience involves a cat, actually two cats. We live in an area where coyotes abound, and hawks have been known to snag cats without a second thought.
Our first died of some unknown disorder, she just lost all her hair and withered away. It was horrible. The second disappeared, presumably via hawk as it was during the day.
Both times . . . the night after they passed . . . I was just dozing off and distinctly felt a cat jump on the foot of the bed. Cat owners will know this, it's a distinct feeling, one that can't be mistaken for your partner adjusting in the bed or the flop of a blanket. I was not asleep, as I remember both times thinking it was just a sorrowful memory.
The next morning my wife said to me, without a hint on my part, "I swear I felt a cat jump on the bed last night. And I wasn't dreaming either."
a scientific explanation for all of this..? here is a scientific explanation.
the human body is full of untapped energy. thats a known fact.
now, it may be trapped in organic material, but nevertheless its trapped.
when the body dies, where do you think that energy goes? what happens to it?
there are too many stories, photos, evidence... yes alot of the physical evidence caught on camera is pure photoshoppery.. given...
how can so many people, in so many far away places, experience so many similar things to call it fake...or some "scientific" canundrum.
energy is science. energy transfer is science.
why can you believe that energy now that doesnt have a "shell" for lack of better words, is still out there.... not in visible form?
what is a black hole? energy you cant see.
what is dark matter? energy you cant see, but has an affect on its surroundings.
so you may be right that there is a scientific explanation... the explanation is that the human body transfers energy to a place we cant see nor grasp.
want another story?
my best friends wife died in a vehicle accident about a year ago. they were coming to visit my wife and i, less than 45 min from my house, they hit black ice and she was partially ejected and died at the scene.
as the months went by, i alone, went to visit him at his home. as we stood around his kitchen islan discussing life, and his wife at the topic, a magnet picture frame literally flew off of the refridgerator. literally about 3 feet off the fridge.
him, his brother and i stood there and tried to make sense of it.
this was no little magnet that a wallet photo fits and you always find it slid to the bottom of the fridge because its too week...
this was a panoramic size plastic sleeve frame with a magnet for the entire backing.... you had to struggle just to get it off of the fridge... but it flew like the wind. right during our discussion of her.
scientific explanation... transferred energy made that frame fly off of the fridge. was it hers? i believe so.
No i wasnt dreaming because i was able to comprehend what i just heard...and usually when im dreaming i ..uhhh...stay asleep.
Tony, IMHO the reason so many strange things "happen" when people are in bed is that the mind tends to play tricks in the transition between being awake and asleep. That is why we twitch and jerk occasionally at this time. That is also why so many people get "visited" when they are in bed as opposed to when they are sitting in an armchair watching television. It's just dreaming and imagination.
I am a humanist and none of this makes any sense to me. I believe when you're dead you're dead and you should make the best of the life you have here. It also makes things a lot simpler.
UK will have alot of atheists (or humanists if you prefer). Or at least agnostics who can't commit.
US is quite religious, although religious demographics 'clump'.
Europe and South America tend towards a particular brand of Theism, while Southern Asia goes for a completely different brand (which itself comes in different 'flavours'). I've no idea about East Asia, Canada, Australasia, Russia and understand India is pretty complex too.
I'm in the UK and my degree dissertation subject was the role of religion within the (western) scientific world view. It's really interesting how the distribution of religion generally (and the various branches of Christianity particularly) follows Geographical and Sociological boundaries. In other words, religion and culture are HEAVILY interlaced (culture being the main human trait that splits along the same lines).
there was a thread about weird things that happen to you, so I didn't think it inappropriate
True, there are all sorts of posts in Foo. The general etiquette here though is that first you have to go and rant about Google in the Adsense forum, then go to the CSS forum and help someone struggling with an overly complex page layout, and then you can come here and talk about your cats, favourite foods, and ghosts you may have seen ;)
It's just dreaming and imagination.
you really believe that?
simple may be the way for you, but wheres the fun in that.
the brain is so under utilzed its grose.
how can you not think that somehow the brain at certain times can tap into something during sleep or almost sleep that we cant during the day...
we are so distracted during the day, the mind has no time to relax and get into a self concious state.
i respect your opinion...i dont want to get into some ethical shouting match over ghostly experiences...
but since mankind has been around, these experiences have been happening... awake, asleep, almost asleep...whatever.
let me finish by asking this... you say theres a scientific explanation for everything...
what is dark matter or dark energy?
Dark energy is also known as vacuum energy and is used to power ZPMs. Pronounced "Zed Pee Em". Trust me.
As to the light at the end of tunnel, near death experiences and waking dreams... who knows. But if you figure the brain as a self-contained system, consciousness can be seen an emergent property. As the underlying system changes state, artefacts are thrown up at the conscious level. Consciousness is not well understood, but that is no reason to say it is beyond the domain of science.
Okay supernatural... Nothing personally but my Mom said my Grandpa visited her the night he died. Hundreds of miles apart and in the dead of night she was "jerked awake" (her words) by this sudden, intense feeling. When she came fully awake she saw her father (my grandpa) standing at the edge of her bed smiling at her. She said it made her feel so warm and so comfortable that she slipped back to sleep almost immediately.
The next day we learned he had died during the night. To this day my Mom talks about that experience and my Mom is one of the biggest skeptics of all so who knows?
They are sometimes interpreted by people in line with existing beliefs, but they also sometimes radically change people's lives. They are usually very different in nature from hypnagogic hallucinations in that they occur when people are alert, and are far more removed from the everyday range of experience.
.. occur in every culture and every period of history and by every type of person, including the most sane and stable - which, to my mind, makes them much more credible than other out of the ordinary experiences (like "alien abductions", for example)
Without getting into a religious debate, what makes one "thing which can never be proven" more appealing or believable that any other "thing which can never be proven?" Consensus? Law of the sword?
energy transfer from death, is not even comparable to a mythical creature that flys and lives in a hollow tree... so dont even go that route.
i dont think fairies are real either... thats a whole 'nuther book ...
this is about the thought of energy being harnessed and displayed to those who cant normally see it...
no..unicorns, faeries, loch ness, bigfoot... no, i dont believe in those either..