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Who's ready for new ideas?

2:09 am on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

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Well, you asked. (I'm not sure why other than I'm registered here. I rarely log on - I mean not for years at a time). But that never stopped me from spouting off, so thanks for asking, and here goes. ;)

And by the way, congratulations on building one of the great communities on the web.

However, taking a quick look around at some of the threads here, there is obviously little point in suggesting new ideas. Just look at the posts.

The old timers, the WW Mafia, you gotta love 'em. They have an answer for everything, don't they? They always have. And it's their way or the highway. Now, that kind of bs may have been needed years ago when this place was just getting started. It created some "culture" in the Wild Wild West, but that time is gone and the rest of the world has definitely moved ahead and beyond WW. And today, the idea killers are going to kill you. But they will hang on with more ferocity the more you try to change things. So beware.

Perhaps your best bet is to simply keep this as it is so the old farts can hang around here and congratulate themselves. They'll think nothing's changed and while they're busy not looking, you will very cleverly launch a new platform in a new place that meets contemporary standards for everybody else and hopefully the old timers will be so busy enforcing rules they'll never catch on to what just happened and never venture over to the new place.

As others have suggested, look around at TW, FB, LI, blogs, buzz, YouTube, Experts Exchange, Iphone Apps, the open web, open social. And look ahead and think through what's likely to be coming down the pike next. Take the best of the rest and build it in. Steal *their* ideas for a change.

Think through who the stars of the show are (hint - it ain't the old farts and it ain't the moderators and it ain't the WW Mafia).

Analyze why people come here - is it to learn (and from experts or from each other?), to solve a problem, to share, to connect, to give, to take, to lead, to follow, to promote themselves or a client -- or?

Think about whether SEO is alive or dead. Let's face it, Google came to PubCon. The wolf was let in the henhouse. I saw with my own eyes MC doing what amounted to spying on Yahoo and SEOs in 2002, ethically of course, but spying none the less. He soaked up all the tricks revealed at PubCon and then low and behold, along came Florida. And he's still at it. Every year there is another PubCon and every year there is another update to Google. Sites using the tricks discussed at the latest PubCon are soon cut down in the rankings like trees in a logging operation after Google catches on. The jig is up. Google is on to everybody's tricks. Whatever little compettive advantage you can think up, Google can systematically dismantle and penalize in the next algo update.

And as a result, the sad truth is, in all likelihood, the days of SEO itself are numbered. So look ahead and ask yourself how does WW fit in, in a post-SEO world?

And instead of focusing on controlling everybody with a bunch of bs rules, think about how you can create a platform that enables people to do what they're naturally going to do anyway. How can you be an enabler of that and not a throttler? Figure that out and you'll have another winning formula.

Or what the hell, just wait a few more years and forums will be cool again and the world will be amazed that you have been here all along.

Well, you asked and that's what I think.
3:33 am on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

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Well said.
3:47 am on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

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What a great post. And to be honest this is the sort of discussion that I keep an eye out for in WW. However I get the feeling that the vast majority of readers feel the same way but are too scared to say anything that contradicts the ever present vocal minority.

Of course this is present in all forms of communication and not just this website.
3:50 am on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

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I'm not afraid to open my mouth, I just stopped coming here. What good is a discussion if nobody listens? :D
4:16 am on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

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System: The following 2 messages were spliced on to this thread from: http://www.webmasterworld.com/feedback/4141260.htm [webmasterworld.com] by brett_tabke - 11:44 pm on May 26, 2010 (cst -5)

I stopped posting on this board about a year ago because I got tired of being attacked by a few regulars whenever I had legitimate questions to ask. Apparently these people think this is "their" board and only their topics are relevant.

These people are on these boards 24/7 but the rest of us can't possible read every topic. We occasionally need help, though. Don't punish us for asking questions, even if the answer was "just posted last week" or whatever.

So if someone ask what you think is a "dumb" question, either answer it or STFU.

A board is either useful and friendly -- or useless.
4:31 am on May 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

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There are a few of us in agreement with what you're posting about in this thread: [webmasterworld.com...] In fact I just posted about situations I've run into even though I frequent the boards much more than you have time to, and I agree with what you're saying and think it's too bad they've let things like you're talking about go when they snip so much, because I think you're right about what you're saying, and most of us don't have any vested interest in the forums so we opt to do the same as you and simply leave rather than bothering to say anything or trying to do anything, because it seems no one wants to hear about it or do anything about it anyway, so why bother, right?

Anyway, you're definitely not alone in your thoughts and many times it seems 'change' is frowned on and preached against by many regulars around here who seem to have plenty of time to correct and stomp but not a single second to explain and be helpful.

I've actually seen mods who do what you're talking about say they do it for the good of the poster, but sometimes I wonder if anyone ever stops to think about how many people they've probably run out of the forums with their ever so 'helpful' methods, because it sure doesn't seem like it...
2:25 am on May 29, 2010 (gmt 0)

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I have to thoroughly agree with beggers though I was never discouraged by people being mean about my repeating a question - I just asked them to kindly point out where that thread is and how did they find it. If I find a question posted that I know was answered in another thread previously I don't (usually) bother do much else than point out the other thread, quite possibly indicate the search method that would find it, and ask the person to post back if they didn't manage to fix it using the thread(s) I indicated.

If your post doesn't lead to an answer then your post is noise, wasted time of yours and ours - polite (kind) noise I am happy enough to see but "That is answered in another thread, why don't you search properly before posting" is just pathetic unkindness indicating unintelligent weakness to me, just add "Here is one thread, here is a search that finds more" just some few keystrokes more makes it worth posting.

To the unkind: That's not smart at all.

To the seekers of knowledge: Ignore the ignorant.

To the kind: Keep up the good work, you are the salt of the earth (or at least the forums and boards!)
6:39 am on May 29, 2010 (gmt 0)

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This may just be the best place on the web to get free advice. Why does nobody seem to realize that it's just that: 'free' advice.

It often requires piecing together, filtering for bias, etc, etc. Also, you can do what ever you want with it... I somehow don't really understand the level of entitlement that's going on here.

So what if your question does not get properly answered here. In my experience, it often does - and that's why I stay. Sometimes it does not, and I keep looking. WebmasterWorld does not have to be the right place all the time!

I have learned more from lurking than from asking questions. How's that for an asymmetrical experience?

the.whining.must.stop! (and, yes - I know I'll get flak for this)
7:58 am on May 31, 2010 (gmt 0)

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I think this "old guard" phenomenon happens in many group/forums, but it's really bad here, and I think the look and feel and how it stays the same encourages that. The feeling is, "We'll never change, we don't have to, because we are better than you". Not a place I want to hang out.
1:48 am on June 2, 2010 (gmt 0)

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Agree with Bob.

I think if you don't change some things, you may end up like usenet.
3:32 am on June 2, 2010 (gmt 0)

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#1 Excellent post.

Is WebmasterWorld in danger of becoming DMOZ? I suspect so.

To prevent this happening, route around the gatekeepers and let the system surface the most relevant content.
4:53 am on June 2, 2010 (gmt 0)

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big hello to everyone. well i am relatively new here to webmaster world - and usually just read here without logging in. but this excellent post is relevant to both the oldies here and new ones like me. so just wanted to say congratulations to the poster - and also to webmaster world for being the ultimate reference source.
5:00 am on June 2, 2010 (gmt 0)

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Welcome to all the new guys/gals. That is sincere.

The old bulls know that challenge from young ones is a part of life. As it should be. Head butting can be fun as long as the result ends up making the forum strong. That's the beauty of rut. Procreation. In this case: good content.

Old mossy back now shags head and wanders back into the herd...