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12:58 pm on Jun 22, 2019 (gmt 0)

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I posted this in the SEOChat forum (which also redirects here now), and I felt it was also appropriate here.

Thanks for coming on over.

First, I want to apologize for not being able to get the old forums converted to a newer VBB format. I tried hard. Having run BBS's and Forums almost full time for 37 (yes 37! don't judge ;-) years, I cherish the value of community and continuity. Thats why I drug it out quite a bit longer than it needed. The last thing I wanted was to be the guy that took seochat off the grid.

The problem was the software that SEOChat and Devshed were running. It was a very old copy of VBB. That version has several known exploits running int he wild.
I worked on it a long time trying to get it to convert to a newer version of VBB - and even got VBB themselves to look at it. The main problem was the code being run had several hooks to old game systems that ran between Devshed and Seochat. There was a chunk of php running out of the mysql db (Yikes!) I am not sure where that code came from and Ninja's were none the wiser either.

That said, the user db and msg db (let allow the avatars..etc), just wouldn't migrate. The closest I cam was using an exporter for PHBB to export out of Vbb (but the db came out partially corrupted and I could figure out what was real or corrupted). I really wanted to user names and msgs, but it became pretty clear that a majority(!) of the user names were automated junk. I even started to hand filter out user names with direct msql statements to pull out the users. It was a mess of messes and I grew increasingly frustrated. I worked on this for easily two months last year before being consumed by angst and frustration over the situation.

Then I tried to sell the sites for a song to several interested moderators at both places. After I explained what the situation was with the code, msgs, and users name db's - all three people backed away and passed on the opportunity.

So here we are.

Thank you guys/gals for coming on over. On behalf of the entire community - welcome. Even though the software is different, and our histories are different, there are no two forums on the web that are more closely aligned in ideals and views on the current state of search traffic. My hope is we can keep this subforum active with the spirit and flavor of seochat.

If any of you want to take over moderating here or join as mods on other sub forums - please let Neil Marshall know (@engine).

Thanks
Brett Tabke
3:00 pm on June 22, 2019 (gmt 0)

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Welcome to all, glad to have you here.
3:51 pm on June 22, 2019 (gmt 0)

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Does this mean that DevShed was bought out and basically scraped due to the failure to import its data?
8:24 pm on June 22, 2019 (gmt 0)

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It means we have a bunch of new folks and fun conversations in the future!

Welcome all!

(Note: I have worked on old VBBS systems and know first hand how easy they could be corrupted beyond retrieval). Thanks, Brett!
8:41 pm on June 22, 2019 (gmt 0)

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I was not on seochat, but I've been a member on forums that were moved or acquired. It is nice to see a good explanation of the problems.

Brett, could the other forum be saved in archive form ( html, pdf, or text ) ?
11:45 pm on June 22, 2019 (gmt 0)

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Welcome, everyone!
1:29 am on June 23, 2019 (gmt 0)

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Seems I may be the only active one to come across LOL
1:39 am on June 23, 2019 (gmt 0)

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Give it time!

Meanwhile there's a bunch at ww that will play!
9:29 am on June 23, 2019 (gmt 0)

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Hi there Brett_Tabke,

are you now giving long time members of Dev Shed membership even if they
were previously treated as persona non grata at Webmaster World?

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persona non grata

Troubles coming :) ... joking, I think everybody deserves a second chance :)
2:23 pm on June 23, 2019 (gmt 0)

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KnowOneSpecial, you're not the only one. I also came from DevShed. I used to post a lot there, primarily in the Perl section.
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Seems there may be some, umm ,,, dislike of devshed members, why Brett owns both WebmasterWorld and DevShed or he did.

For the record....
I had over 3000 post on the old site... had a reputation of being sort of brutally honest.
I am also active on Quora.

Let me say this...

I know a little bit about SEO and Marketing. More than some and less than others, but I think I know more than the average Joe
I also program in PHP, Javascript, css, aspx, c, c++ and c#. (not much of a ms fan btw) R & D engeer for many of my younger years. I also know my way around sql, (ms/my)sql..
I program sites in two varieties . totally by hand or WordPress.

I am a local search specialist and a Ranking troubleshooter. I am not a devshed person so to speak.... I work for myself... LOL... If because I was a mod at Seochat you consider me a devshed member that is ok... most humans I know make mistakes from time to time... Just kidding.

So why the animosity towards those folks if it isn't asking to much for you folks to explain.. I would love to hear the story LOL

Also if I ever help you with advice and anyone were to ask where you got the help...
Just tell them know one special helped you... I am not here for self promotion !

Engine can tell you that for sure....
9:48 pm on June 23, 2019 (gmt 0)

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Seems there may be some, umm ,,, dislike of devshed members, why Brett owns both WebmasterWorld and DevShed or he did.


Ummmm ... where'd that come from? Far as I can tell the welcome mat has been not only extended, but brushed off shiny for everyone. Was there a post I missed?
10:55 pm on June 23, 2019 (gmt 0)

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some, umm ,,, dislike
If you particularly want me to dislike you I will happily oblige, but otherwise I would just as soon not make the effort.
6:47 pm on June 24, 2019 (gmt 0)

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Note: I'm x-posting this in three places, Mods if you disagree, please feel free to nuke.

Welcome.

I regret that Brett found it necessary to close DevShed and SEOChat. While a long time WebmasterWorld member I was also an Admin at Cre8asiteforums and know the gut wrench and loss when Kim had to shut the doors. Every webdev forum built an unique community and voice within the greater niche; that, for various reasons, many of these communities have diminished, been forced to retire, or move lessens our overall body of knowledge.

WebmasterWorld is not SEOChat nor is it DevShed. It is, however, a place full of curious folk who like to poke and prod, help and share, hypothesise and test, complain and cry in their beer. So I hope that some of you forum-less immigrants notice that WebmasterWorld has no wall beyond simple registration, a reasonable set of ToS aka play nice and don't feed the curmudgeons, and is, all in all, a rather pleasant place to hang and to learn.

My personal webdev interests:
* affiliate presell; especially direct rather than through third party networks.
* analytics (other than GoAn/Piwik); especially real time.
* API ad delivery.
* contextual content delivery.
* direct ad space marketing.
* natural language programmed site search.
* personalisation, visitor fingerprinting, x-device usage identification within bounds of privacy ethics and regulation.
* machine learning; especially for analytics and contextual delivery.
* etc.

Hope we can find topics of mutual interest to discuss.
Welcome.
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^^^ what iamlost said and

WELCOME NEW FOLKS!

New voices, new topics, and probably far more in common than not.

I come from BBS (before there was an internet), and came into the web by accident, landed an account that let me build a fairly good company for a zillion internet years ... and then recently sold that company. Now I just keep my hand in with "fun stuff"---and to keep the brain from going fossil.
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I started out with BBS's in 1985.. Back then you had dedicated phone lines, maybe if you were lucky you had a couple of multi-modem boards that could handle 4 phone lines using 9600 baud modems... (geez was that not cosidered fast )...

My first system (1980) was an S100 with 8 inch floppy drives... First hard drive was 8 pound 5" 1/2 by 3" 1/2 5 megabyte storage capacity, slow as hell it was... Then I graduated to using 4.77 megahertz pc's with a whopping 640k of ram. ( I currently run a more up-to-date system at almost 3 gigahertz with 24 gigs of ram.)
Used to run simple text graphics games on the pc with bbs's I got away with multi-tasking by using DeskView Software and extended memory cards... gave away floppy drives, mouses, with the ball, cheap pci modems. Once a year a 5 meg hard drive. Made a few bucks doing this.

Back then I think my phone bill 160.00 a month. Come to think about, the phone bill hasn't change, it is still 160.00 a month... Geez
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I was a long-time member of DevShed (but not a prolific poster.) I am sorry to see it go. I was mostly interested in C and C++ programming, and DevShed had many knowledgeable members in those fields. Sometimes, I'd look up an old thread to refresh my memory about a particular topic or dig up a suggested resource. It is a shame all that information could not be archived in some way; it seems like such a waste of good information.

Anyhow, I finally signed up here at Webmaster World. The sign-up process tripped me up a couple times. I use a Password Manager and usually generate random passwords at least 20 characters long that include lower-case, upper-case, numbers, underlines, hyphens, brackets, special characters, and high ANSI characters. I was surprised to be restricted to the usual alpha-numeric characters and only up to twelve characters long. (Perhaps for added security this restriction could be increased?)

In any case . . . I am going to wander over to the rest of the forums and see where I can contribute.
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Well, for nostalgia's sake I figured I'd only register if my DevShed username was available... lo and behold! haha

I was a Lounge/Outhouse troll after I abandoned my Apache project and essentially went into another industry. My only real accomplishment in the Shed was my post count-to-reputation ratio, as they stopped Outhouse posts from counting towards your post total, lol Not sure if I'll dip into The Community Center or Foo as often as I was on the Shed, but essentially appreciate having a random repository for social junk that isn't FB/Insta/Twitter or Reddit.

Either way, username Dangerous = COPPED!
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Welcome all.
You'll find plenty of discussion topics that may be of interest. Perhaps start here [webmasterworld.com...]

I was surprised to be restricted to the usual alpha-numeric characters and only up to twelve characters long. (Perhaps for added security this restriction could be increased?)

Actually, you can use a lot more. I think what may have tripped it was special characters. For security reasons, I can't broadcast how many characters, and which ones. You'd be surprised how much automated spam it stops.
11:13 pm on July 3, 2019 (gmt 0)

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OK, I registered here. Out of curiosity, what forum application are you using here?
11:15 pm on July 3, 2019 (gmt 0)

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what forum application are you using here?


Custom written by Brett Tabke, I believe it had some valuable contributions by Incredibill and others involved in recent years.
11:22 pm on July 3, 2019 (gmt 0)

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Thanks for the info.
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Hi) I'm new to the forum. I will be glad to new acquaintances.