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12:58 pm on Jun 22, 2019 (gmt 0)

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I posted this in the SEOChat forum (which also redirects here now), and I felt it was also appropriate here.

Thanks for coming on over.

First, I want to apologize for not being able to get the old forums converted to a newer VBB format. I tried hard. Having run BBS's and Forums almost full time for 37 (yes 37! don't judge ;-) years, I cherish the value of community and continuity. Thats why I drug it out quite a bit longer than it needed. The last thing I wanted was to be the guy that took seochat off the grid.

The problem was the software that SEOChat and Devshed were running. It was a very old copy of VBB. That version has several known exploits running int he wild.
I worked on it a long time trying to get it to convert to a newer version of VBB - and even got VBB themselves to look at it. The main problem was the code being run had several hooks to old game systems that ran between Devshed and Seochat. There was a chunk of php running out of the mysql db (Yikes!) I am not sure where that code came from and Ninja's were none the wiser either.

That said, the user db and msg db (let allow the avatars..etc), just wouldn't migrate. The closest I cam was using an exporter for PHBB to export out of Vbb (but the db came out partially corrupted and I could figure out what was real or corrupted). I really wanted to user names and msgs, but it became pretty clear that a majority(!) of the user names were automated junk. I even started to hand filter out user names with direct msql statements to pull out the users. It was a mess of messes and I grew increasingly frustrated. I worked on this for easily two months last year before being consumed by angst and frustration over the situation.

Then I tried to sell the sites for a song to several interested moderators at both places. After I explained what the situation was with the code, msgs, and users name db's - all three people backed away and passed on the opportunity.

So here we are.

Thank you guys/gals for coming on over. On behalf of the entire community - welcome. Even though the software is different, and our histories are different, there are no two forums on the web that are more closely aligned in ideals and views on the current state of search traffic. My hope is we can keep this subforum active with the spirit and flavor of seochat.

If any of you want to take over moderating here or join as mods on other sub forums - please let Neil Marshall know (@engine).

Thanks
Brett Tabke
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Welcome to all, glad to have you here.
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Does this mean that DevShed was bought out and basically scraped due to the failure to import its data?
8:24 pm on June 22, 2019 (gmt 0)

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It means we have a bunch of new folks and fun conversations in the future!

Welcome all!

(Note: I have worked on old VBBS systems and know first hand how easy they could be corrupted beyond retrieval). Thanks, Brett!
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I was not on seochat, but I've been a member on forums that were moved or acquired. It is nice to see a good explanation of the problems.

Brett, could the other forum be saved in archive form ( html, pdf, or text ) ?
11:45 pm on June 22, 2019 (gmt 0)

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Welcome, everyone!
1:29 am on June 23, 2019 (gmt 0)

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Seems I may be the only active one to come across LOL
1:39 am on June 23, 2019 (gmt 0)

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Give it time!

Meanwhile there's a bunch at ww that will play!
9:29 am on June 23, 2019 (gmt 0)

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Hi there Brett_Tabke,

are you now giving long time members of Dev Shed membership even if they
were previously treated as persona non grata at Webmaster World?

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persona non grata

Troubles coming :) ... joking, I think everybody deserves a second chance :)
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KnowOneSpecial, you're not the only one. I also came from DevShed. I used to post a lot there, primarily in the Perl section.
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Seems there may be some, umm ,,, dislike of devshed members, why Brett owns both WebmasterWorld and DevShed or he did.

For the record....
I had over 3000 post on the old site... had a reputation of being sort of brutally honest.
I am also active on Quora.

Let me say this...

I know a little bit about SEO and Marketing. More than some and less than others, but I think I know more than the average Joe
I also program in PHP, Javascript, css, aspx, c, c++ and c#. (not much of a ms fan btw) R & D engeer for many of my younger years. I also know my way around sql, (ms/my)sql..
I program sites in two varieties . totally by hand or WordPress.

I am a local search specialist and a Ranking troubleshooter. I am not a devshed person so to speak.... I work for myself... LOL... If because I was a mod at Seochat you consider me a devshed member that is ok... most humans I know make mistakes from time to time... Just kidding.

So why the animosity towards those folks if it isn't asking to much for you folks to explain.. I would love to hear the story LOL

Also if I ever help you with advice and anyone were to ask where you got the help...
Just tell them know one special helped you... I am not here for self promotion !

Engine can tell you that for sure....
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Seems there may be some, umm ,,, dislike of devshed members, why Brett owns both WebmasterWorld and DevShed or he did.


Ummmm ... where'd that come from? Far as I can tell the welcome mat has been not only extended, but brushed off shiny for everyone. Was there a post I missed?
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some, umm ,,, dislike
If you particularly want me to dislike you I will happily oblige, but otherwise I would just as soon not make the effort.
6:47 pm on June 24, 2019 (gmt 0)

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Note: I'm x-posting this in three places, Mods if you disagree, please feel free to nuke.

Welcome.

I regret that Brett found it necessary to close DevShed and SEOChat. While a long time WebmasterWorld member I was also an Admin at Cre8asiteforums and know the gut wrench and loss when Kim had to shut the doors. Every webdev forum built an unique community and voice within the greater niche; that, for various reasons, many of these communities have diminished, been forced to retire, or move lessens our overall body of knowledge.

WebmasterWorld is not SEOChat nor is it DevShed. It is, however, a place full of curious folk who like to poke and prod, help and share, hypothesise and test, complain and cry in their beer. So I hope that some of you forum-less immigrants notice that WebmasterWorld has no wall beyond simple registration, a reasonable set of ToS aka play nice and don't feed the curmudgeons, and is, all in all, a rather pleasant place to hang and to learn.

My personal webdev interests:
* affiliate presell; especially direct rather than through third party networks.
* analytics (other than GoAn/Piwik); especially real time.
* API ad delivery.
* contextual content delivery.
* direct ad space marketing.
* natural language programmed site search.
* personalisation, visitor fingerprinting, x-device usage identification within bounds of privacy ethics and regulation.
* machine learning; especially for analytics and contextual delivery.
* etc.

Hope we can find topics of mutual interest to discuss.
Welcome.
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^^^ what iamlost said and

WELCOME NEW FOLKS!

New voices, new topics, and probably far more in common than not.

I come from BBS (before there was an internet), and came into the web by accident, landed an account that let me build a fairly good company for a zillion internet years ... and then recently sold that company. Now I just keep my hand in with "fun stuff"---and to keep the brain from going fossil.
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I started out with BBS's in 1985.. Back then you had dedicated phone lines, maybe if you were lucky you had a couple of multi-modem boards that could handle 4 phone lines using 9600 baud modems... (geez was that not cosidered fast )...

My first system (1980) was an S100 with 8 inch floppy drives... First hard drive was 8 pound 5" 1/2 by 3" 1/2 5 megabyte storage capacity, slow as hell it was... Then I graduated to using 4.77 megahertz pc's with a whopping 640k of ram. ( I currently run a more up-to-date system at almost 3 gigahertz with 24 gigs of ram.)
Used to run simple text graphics games on the pc with bbs's I got away with multi-tasking by using DeskView Software and extended memory cards... gave away floppy drives, mouses, with the ball, cheap pci modems. Once a year a 5 meg hard drive. Made a few bucks doing this.

Back then I think my phone bill 160.00 a month. Come to think about, the phone bill hasn't change, it is still 160.00 a month... Geez
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I was a long-time member of DevShed (but not a prolific poster.) I am sorry to see it go. I was mostly interested in C and C++ programming, and DevShed had many knowledgeable members in those fields. Sometimes, I'd look up an old thread to refresh my memory about a particular topic or dig up a suggested resource. It is a shame all that information could not be archived in some way; it seems like such a waste of good information.

Anyhow, I finally signed up here at Webmaster World. The sign-up process tripped me up a couple times. I use a Password Manager and usually generate random passwords at least 20 characters long that include lower-case, upper-case, numbers, underlines, hyphens, brackets, special characters, and high ANSI characters. I was surprised to be restricted to the usual alpha-numeric characters and only up to twelve characters long. (Perhaps for added security this restriction could be increased?)

In any case . . . I am going to wander over to the rest of the forums and see where I can contribute.
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Well, for nostalgia's sake I figured I'd only register if my DevShed username was available... lo and behold! haha

I was a Lounge/Outhouse troll after I abandoned my Apache project and essentially went into another industry. My only real accomplishment in the Shed was my post count-to-reputation ratio, as they stopped Outhouse posts from counting towards your post total, lol Not sure if I'll dip into The Community Center or Foo as often as I was on the Shed, but essentially appreciate having a random repository for social junk that isn't FB/Insta/Twitter or Reddit.

Either way, username Dangerous = COPPED!
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Welcome all.
You'll find plenty of discussion topics that may be of interest. Perhaps start here [webmasterworld.com...]

I was surprised to be restricted to the usual alpha-numeric characters and only up to twelve characters long. (Perhaps for added security this restriction could be increased?)

Actually, you can use a lot more. I think what may have tripped it was special characters. For security reasons, I can't broadcast how many characters, and which ones. You'd be surprised how much automated spam it stops.
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OK, I registered here. Out of curiosity, what forum application are you using here?
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what forum application are you using here?


Custom written by Brett Tabke, I believe it had some valuable contributions by Incredibill and others involved in recent years.
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Thanks for the info.
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Those of you migrating will know me from both Dev Shed and SEO Chat (and indeed all of the DevShed sites). I'm a long-time moderator of both sites and a former admin for both as well. Having invested literally tens of thousands of hours as an admin, moderator, writer, and editor on the various DS sites, it's a sad feeling to see it all disappear without so much as a read-only archive. There was a wealth of valuable information either dumped or left to bit rot in an old archive. It's unfortunate, really.

I want to take a moment to thank Brett. No one likes to be the guy who makes the decision to shoot a lame horse. Being one of the persons you spoke to about buying the sites, I believe from our conversation that you did do everything you could to save them. Having been closely involved with the development team, I can also speak to the nature of problems you encountered with the heavily custom integration of the LOTGD game. Removing it would not have been fun. While I may have been able to do it with enough time (and having access to the original developer), there's no guarantee he would have been willing and available; and having prior engagements I did not have the time or resources to dedicate to doing it alone.

Since DevShed was heavily development based, I'm not sure how many people will migrate here. Perhaps some will stop by to read this thread. I hope that they will take it from me, as well, that there was likely no other outcome.

I will miss the friendships that were formed over the last 15 years and I will cherish the memories. I will try to look on this next chapter as positively as I know how.

For those members stopping by, I encourage you to register even if it's just to say hello.

As for me. I'm never hard to find.

Shout outs to Doug G, Dangerous, and Neil (engine).
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Thank you for the welcome, Brett, and thank you for putting in so much time and effort to try to save the forums.

Many of the issues could have been resolved back in the day when Jim Boykin first purchased the forum group. So many promises and guarantees over the years which never materialized. The forums were just left to rot, despite repeated requests to allow the moderators to update the code. We ended up pulling our hair out after the security holes widened, the languages deprecated, and the spam and malware bots flooded in.

@jimsthoughts ..l.,

- Winters, DevShed 2003 - 2019
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Note: cross posted.

As a former member, Mod, and Admin of Cre8asiteforums, also bought back when by Jim Boykin, which sadly is also now extinct, I sympathise greatly.

At the time I could see what I thought to be Jim's plan, however, unfortunately, a number personal and business matters seem to have derailed whatever might have been.

Eventually, after as mentioned, years of semi-neglect (yes Cre8 suffered from this as well) Jim sold the sites back, likely for pennies on the dollar. Unfortunately, for various reasons, neither Kim with Cre8 or Brett with SEOChat and DevShed could see a way forward. I know how distraught we at Cre8 were.

Personally I never 'clicked' with SEOChat enough to register but I lurked by every couple of weeks just to check the temperature as it were. With DevShed it was more a matter of not having sufficient time to participate beyond weekly lurking at C/C++, Apache, PostgreSQL... It truly is regrettable that such a singular dev resource has shut.

I was quite shocked at the manner in which SEOChat and DevShed were shut and members faux integrated into WebmasterWorld, however I have no insight into the backstory. Without that context and with the respect I have for Brett and the WebmasterWorld Admin team I err on the side of giving them the benefit of doubt.

Brett, I sincerely hope (and expect his wife insists) has a life beyond the fora he owns. Life can be busy even chaotic at times. Communication is a two way process often without knowledge of situation on the other end. Patience is a virtue, irritating the other person counterproductive.

If, as seems suggested by comments, an offer for SEOChat and/or DevShed have been submitted it is up to the seller (Brett) to consider and reply in his timeframe. I understand how time can drag in such circumstance but, once one has ascertained it has been received one can only wait.

Frankly, I was hopeful that the inclusion of DevShed members might invigorate the moribund dev sections of WebmasterWorld :)

Regardless, once again, you have my sympathy and best wishes whether you go, stay, or achieve the opportunity to revive one or both SEOChat/DevShed.

P.S. please stay :)
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Howdy y'all! It's nice to see there's still life in the air. I was worried all was lost. So often in life there's risk or challenge, and as long as we stand tall, there's hope! ^_^
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@Triple_Nothing welcome to Webmaster World we are glad you are have come to join the fun!
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Since foo doesn't appear to be the place I can post as I normally would in the DevShed Lounge, would this be an appropriate place to pulse a non-profit fundraising effort?

Also - I'm open to feedback around how this could be better framed up/why a forum might not be a place for such posts.
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Troubles coming :) ... joking, I think everybody deserves a second chance :)
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