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Yahoo Directory Gray barred?
castar




msg:3641527
 5:43 pm on May 4, 2008 (gmt 0)

Has anyone else noticed a graybar on Yahoo's directory pages? Seems odd since the Yahoo homepage is a 9.

 

zuko105




msg:3643881
 2:34 pm on May 7, 2008 (gmt 0)

I'm getting an 8 of 10 for dir.yahoo.com

junai3




msg:3644152
 7:20 pm on May 7, 2008 (gmt 0)

I was going to buy 2 directory listings from Yahoo today, but then I also so that every internal page of the directory (accept for the home page) has a grey bar. Should I be worried? Or should I buy the listings?

zuko105




msg:3644900
 4:35 pm on May 8, 2008 (gmt 0)

I don't think that google would grey bar a human powered directory as authoritative as yahoo. It's still a good buy imo if you have the $300 to shell out.

internetheaven




msg:3652683
 6:24 pm on May 17, 2008 (gmt 0)

I don't think that google would grey bar a human powered directory as authoritative as yahoo

What do you mean you don't think they would? The rest of us are seeing that they already have.

Good move by Google. There will probably be a significant drop in directory link sales now making Y even more reliant on ad deals with G.

superclown2




msg:3652955
 8:57 am on May 18, 2008 (gmt 0)

Once you pay you'll always have to pay. Stop paying and you're out of the SERPs. The choice is yours!

prfb




msg:3655562
 5:57 pm on May 21, 2008 (gmt 0)

Internetheaven, how cynical ... and probably right.

That said, if I were Google I might feel comfortable dismissing Yahoo's directory from their algos. At least in my area they don't do a good job of removing spam, updating broken links, etc.

And the $300 barrier-to-entry, rather than signaling a site's quality, seems like it might just attract the wrong sort of sites.

givemeabreak




msg:3659710
 9:33 am on May 27, 2008 (gmt 0)

It seems to me that the Yahoo directory is grey barred because its got no pagerank, because the links from the home page [dir.yahoo.com...] are all via non-search engine friendly redirects like:
[us.rd.yahoo.com...]

prfb




msg:3667238
 1:03 am on Jun 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

givemeabreak: Wooooah. Well spotted.

Do you happen to know if this is a recent change? If so, seems like Yahoo shooting the golden goose.

junai3




msg:3667258
 1:38 am on Jun 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

I know the loss of PR is recent, but I'm not sure about Yahoo's links.

skipfactor




msg:3667293
 3:17 am on Jun 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

Somebodies apparently determined that webmasters are idiots. I join them in hiking my leg on the self-deteriorating Y! brand.

venti




msg:3667307
 4:24 am on Jun 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

If this is intentional, what a mistake. If webmasters catch on I imagine most would not renew. I know it will make me re-evaluate the cost vs the gain.

MattCutts




msg:3667812
 6:11 pm on Jun 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

Looks like there's a PR8 on dir.yahoo.com on all data centers, so I wouldn't jump to conclusions. It's possible that Yahoo changed their linking somehow, or that there was an issue on our side with how we canonicalized a url, but I do know that the Yahoo Directory has PageRank in our internal system, so I'll ask folks here about it. Thanks for mentioning this.

venti




msg:3667890
 7:45 pm on Jun 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

Its not the homepage that has the issue, rather it's the sub-directories. They seem to do a link that will 302 redirect to these sub-directories instead of a straight 200. It seems to be a Yahoo issue as far as I can tell.

Receptional Andy




msg:3667896
 7:52 pm on Jun 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

The us.rd.yahoo.com/dir/home/cats/*http://dir.yahoo.com/Arts/ style links are not new - I think the format has changed a little over the years, but they've done redirects from the directory homepage to cats as far back as I remember.

There's always been other bad craziness like d2.dir.ac2.yahoo.com too. Search engines never have been that good at SEO ;)

Edit: delinked

[edited by: Receptional_Andy at 7:52 pm (utc) on June 5, 2008]

ashishp




msg:3668204
 6:24 am on Jun 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

Pardon me if I am wrong, but we know that Google frowns on paid links and sites selling paid links for SEO purposes.

Isn't that what Yahoo's Directory became when it started charging?

Why would Google treat Yahoo different than any other site selling paid links?

Robert Charlton




msg:3668210
 6:38 am on Jun 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

Why would Google treat Yahoo different than any other site selling paid links?

Because Yahoo charges for reviewing your site, and the charge doesn't carry a guarantee that they'll include you. They also have certain editorial criteria that are fairly strictly adhered to, certain more than on most free directories or paid link networks.

That human review is in itself a measure of quality which I believe helped Google's search quality a lot when Google started out, seeded as it was with Yahoo Directory pages.

It's generally been assumed that inclusion in Yahoo still confers "trust" of some sort on listed sites.

the_nerd




msg:3668222
 7:22 am on Jun 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

[quote]http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dir/home/cats/*http://dir.yahoo.com/Recreation/Travel/ [quote]

But don't the actual links in the yahoo directory look the same? And those where able to transport link love (but maybe not TB green?).

glitterball




msg:3668233
 7:46 am on Jun 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

It seems to me that the Yahoo directory is grey barred because its got no pagerank, because the links from the home page [dir.yahoo.com...] are all via non-search engine friendly redirects like:
[us.rd.yahoo.com...]

Considering that there are thousands of external links to each category in the yahoo directory, that is not the reason.

internetheaven




msg:3668236
 7:55 am on Jun 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

The us.rd.yahoo.com/dir/home/cats/*http://dir.yahoo.com/Arts/ style links are not new - I think the format has changed a little over the years, but they've done redirects from the directory homepage to cats as far back as I remember.

and

Considering that there are thousands of external links to each category in the yahoo directory, that is not the reason.

Couldn't agree more. All those internal linking redirects use a 301 anyway so Google is still able to see them and count them in.

Why would Google treat Yahoo different than any other site selling paid links?

A web portal that provides news, search and a whole host of other user-friendly web outlets cannot be deemed inappropriate for having a directory. Creating "lots-of-links-r-us.info" and charging $5 a pop with no review has only one aim. The two are very different ... of course, I'm not saying that Google actually bothers to try and tell the two apart ... ;)

Did find it curious that MattCutts chimed in that early on a thread. Almost panicky? ;)

himalayaswater




msg:3668244
 8:08 am on Jun 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

I was thinking to get my site in their directory but now I'm scared. Many SEO friend told me to get listed on Yahoo but this is scary.

Edit; I also noticed that our internal pages (and may other sites on net) such as About us, Help, TOS, Privacy policy lost page rank after Google algo update. Something is changed for sure. Our home page PR jumped to 7 but internal PR dropped. Luckily they have not dropped product sales pages, as we get some sales from search engines tooo

newwebster




msg:3668293
 9:39 am on Jun 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

I am seeing duplicate results with 2 different subdomains in the directory:

Sub domain 1: [d3.dir.ac2.yahoo.com...]
Sub domain 2: [dir.yahoo.com...]

Both resolve to the same to the same exact listings. One is not being redirected to the other in order to eliminate the duplication.

rustybrick




msg:3668326
 11:08 am on Jun 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

Did find it curious that MattCutts chimed in that early on a thread. Almost panicky? ;)

I think he saw it on some blogs. He was in Seattle and I think he replied quickly and didn't look at the deeper links. I can be wrong.

wheel




msg:3668370
 12:38 pm on Jun 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

Maybe I'm hanging out with too many conspiracy theorists, but I don't list my sites in the Yahoo Directory. The only people I can imagine getting listed these days are folks doing SEO. Johnny average has never heard of the Yahoo directory, and most folks don't find that they drive $300 worth of business. So why list? SEO purposes only. And there we have a footprint.

I appreciate that perhaps the directory passes some trust right now, but I'm not so sure that the SE's won't use it in the future as an easy way to sort out people doing SEO. That's a bit paranoid perhaps - but given how much things have changed in the last year or so, I wouldn't rule anything out.

tigertom




msg:3668381
 12:52 pm on Jun 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

[Says primly] Yes, you should only get listed in a directory because of the direct traffic it will bring from that listing.

Shows you how warped web promotion has become, by the Google algo, that the prime consideration for getting a listing in the Yahoo directory (Yahoo, mind you) is PageRank.

AjiNIMC




msg:3668385
 12:59 pm on Jun 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

I was always against having a paid version with a free version. Get Yahoo ranking for free but Yahoo dir listing for $249 per year. Why do people get listing, for a human review and thus better ranking. I will be good to watch the new move on blogosphere.

ponyboy96




msg:3668399
 1:11 pm on Jun 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

Pardon me if I am wrong, but we know that Google frowns on paid links and sites selling paid links for SEO purposes.

Isn't that what Yahoo's Directory became when it started charging?

Why would Google treat Yahoo different than any other site selling paid links?

I'm with you there. It also makes me wonder about Business.com. They will link to anyone that wants to pay them. What makes them any different than any other paid directory? They also now rank in the top 5 for all my targeted KWs (1 or 2 in a lot of cases) with the Dewey update and their pages are complete junk, IMO.

Rosalind




msg:3668470
 2:19 pm on Jun 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

Shows you how warped web promotion has become, by the Google algo, that the prime consideration for getting a listing in the Yahoo directory (Yahoo, mind you) is PageRank.

That wouldn't be the case if Yahoo actually promoted the directory in any visible way. The link to it is tucked away under the "more" tab, where few will bother to look. It's not as though they're trying hard to drive visitors that way.

BillyS




msg:3668606
 4:16 pm on Jun 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

Did find it curious that MattCutts chimed in that early on a thread. Almost panicky?

No, he's just setting the record straight and like everything else that is automated about Google this would have corrected itself over time. With human intervention (Matt's) it might just happen faster than the next cycle.

I would also like to remind everyone of this bullet point from Google's webmaster guidelines:

Submit your site to relevant directories such as the Open Directory Project and Yahoo!, as well as to other industry-specific expert sites.

[edited by: BillyS at 4:16 pm (utc) on June 6, 2008]

cabowabo




msg:3668626
 4:40 pm on Jun 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

What is interesting is Yahoo! lost more than 400,000 links between the TBPR Update, however their PageRank for dir.yahoo.com when up a point. Seems clear they are "funneling" PageRank for their own intents and purposes.

They have always had a redirect server handle the clicks in the directory to go to the individual sites, but PageRank has always been passed. It seems this has ceased?

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