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Msg#: 3565670 posted 10:24 am on Feb 4, 2008 (gmt 0)

Yahoo would consider a business alliance with Google as one way to rebuff a $44.6 billion (22.7-billion pound) takeover proposal by Microsoft, a source familiar with Yahoo's strategy said on Sunday.

Yahoo management is considering revisiting talks it held with Google several months ago on an alliance as an alternative to Microsoft's bid, that source said. At $31 a share, Yahoo believes the bid undervalues the company, two sources said.

Yahoo May Consider An Alliance With Google [uk.reuters.com]

 

jeffgroovy

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Msg#: 3565670 posted 12:33 pm on Feb 4, 2008 (gmt 0)

Ya it looks like Eric Schmidt got on the horn Sunday night with Jerry Yang and had a little one on one talk about how Google can help Yahoo avoid the MSN bid.

I'm usually against Microsoft taking over any company, but in the last year or two I haven't been able to get a single affiliate campaign to go live with Yahoo, while on the other hand MSN has been awesome...man I miss the overture days of one interface covering both MSN and Yahoo

Lord Majestic

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Msg#: 3565670 posted 12:38 pm on Feb 4, 2008 (gmt 0)

It seems to me that this "alliance" might be far more anti-competitive than actual increase in competition that would certainly come if Microsoft takes over Yahoo (even or otherwise) - it would be really funny to see if Microsoft will object to regulators about such tie up between two companies that would together combine 90%+ market share, this objection would certainly be more serious than anything Google can object legally about combination of MSFT+YHOO.

Miamacs

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Msg#: 3565670 posted 12:44 pm on Feb 4, 2008 (gmt 0)

this is over the heads of the industry ( it's even over Google's heads it seems )

which one would you prefer

MSN and Yahoo combined, Yahoo Search and MS ads all over their email, portals, IMs, Vista2

or

Google AdSense throughout Yahoo's entire network, inc. flickr, email, search, portals, worldwide

...

articles say Yahoo *could* be considering Google's ideas to drive up the price.

walkman



 
Msg#: 3565670 posted 12:53 pm on Feb 4, 2008 (gmt 0)

there is a lot of pride involved for the founders and other Y! insiders but the price carries a 60% premium so it's hard for others to resist. if they say no, their stock will drop back to $19-$20.

This, of course, is the best action. At worst it causes MSFT to offer them a better deal. However, i don't see how Y! will ever merge with Goolgle. As far as alliances..what can G offer them? Search? They already have that.

maximillianos

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Msg#: 3565670 posted 1:49 pm on Feb 4, 2008 (gmt 0)

what can G offer them? Search? They already have that.

They had search before Google came along, and they switched to Google search for many years.

It could be possible that they go back to using Google's search. Imagine all the R&D cash they could save if they didn't have to compete in search? They could focus on the things they are better at... being an information portal.

ecmedia

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Msg#: 3565670 posted 2:10 pm on Feb 4, 2008 (gmt 0)

One Wall Street analyst estimates that simply by switching to Google search, Yahoo will see a 25% jump in revenue plus they can also fire all the incompetent dudes who never got Yahoo search right.

gibbergibber

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Msg#: 3565670 posted 2:48 pm on Feb 4, 2008 (gmt 0)

Lord Majestic is right. As far as internet search is concerned, Yahoo and Google joining together would be far more anti-competitive than Yahoo and Microsoft.

Yahoo joining forces with Google would be like Pepsi joining forces with Coca Cola.

wrockca

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Msg#: 3565670 posted 2:50 pm on Feb 4, 2008 (gmt 0)

Exciting News, it will be interesting how the cards play out.

There is a ton of talk about this topic however I feel this could be a very good thing for search in the eyes of the white hat SEO community since all three search engines are aligning together maybe they will be able to help control the spam and provide more value to search as well click fraud and many other hot topics in the search industry.

It does put a interesting guess upon who will end up on top in the end.

We shall see very soon what 2008 & 2009 has to play in search for many marketers.

Clark

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Msg#: 3565670 posted 4:08 pm on Feb 4, 2008 (gmt 0)

You're right, they have a lot of pride. I wish they had a little more though and came up with some innovation lately...otherwise, I'd prefer to see them with Microsoft than helping Google become the latest Microsoft.

momotan

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Msg#: 3565670 posted 5:02 pm on Feb 4, 2008 (gmt 0)

Did Google or Yahoo actually think this day was not going to come? Everyone knows Bill Gates likes to run a quasi monopoly by buying everyone out and squashing the enemies he doesn't like just to prove the point that he has the longest member between his pants. It was only a matter of time and now that Vista is out the door and making cash, Darth Bill is back. What is Yahoo going to do? They are going to snap back 5 years and go back to running Google search and adsense? That is not in the best interest of the shareholders. What we have here is Google quaking in their boots, because the big guns are coming out and pointed directly in their direction. This alliance won't stop Microsoft's offer. They can't merge because it would never pass regulatory inspection (90% market share would never fly) so they can only make an ad serving deal, the results of which would not do anything more than raise the bid per share price Microsoft is offering.

f1r3b4ll

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Msg#: 3565670 posted 6:25 pm on Feb 4, 2008 (gmt 0)

If this happens, I doubt they will merge. This will happen just to save the company from going under and improving technology without divulging too many 'secrets'.

I could definitely see this happening and without legal scrutiny for fears of violating antitrust laws.

The contract or partnership for this will be well drawn out for this 'merger' and it should not affect Yahoo's existing technology unless otherwise stated.

Also, MSN should not get Yahoo because they have enough and MSN would be violating antitrust laws.

Google and Yahoo are the best bet, but don't think this is the end of Yahoo. Think of this as Your big brother (Google) lending your little brother (Yahoo) a few bucks while he stabilizes and is on the right track.

It is sometimes better to prevent a company from going under than to let it fall simply because they are your competition. Competition does not necessarily mean enemy. =-)

Yahoo will partner with Google, end of story.

Microsoft loses and keeps...ummm..facebook?

Also think of the cultural implications if Yahoo goes down. The internet will lose a big phenomena that has grown a long with it.

Yahoo and Google have more value than just financial dollars, they may truly be loved by some people because they are so useful. Can you a imagine a world without Google or Yahoo? I can't and don't want to.

Keep Yahoo afloat until things smooth out and then let Yahoo find its own way again.

TinkyWinky

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Msg#: 3565670 posted 8:59 pm on Feb 4, 2008 (gmt 0)

At $31 a share, Yahoo believes the bid undervalues the company

Don't make me laugh - the mess they are in with falling revs, no solid investor confidence worth speaking about and feeling the need to bring back someone to run the show that really doesn't have (IMHO) real flair or imagination on how to think their way out the cr4p they are in...

I am not sure the merging Y & M would really do any big mind-blowing damage to G (two very different cultures and both incapable of any real search presence) - but Y & G together... far more likely to be busted by competition...

[edited by: TinkyWinky at 9:01 pm (utc) on Feb. 4, 2008]

pontifex

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Msg#: 3565670 posted 9:13 pm on Feb 4, 2008 (gmt 0)

I already outed myself as emotionless regarding Microsoft and IMHO does Google need serious competition fast. The problem is, that a merger of such diverse cultures like Y! and MS will probably fail. Nonetheless is my opinion strongly against a Y!/G deal. Google is the enemy in the search market for the rest like MS is the enemy in the OS and Office market for the others. Google turned IMHO into a very scary beast in the last 2 years and it needs to take 1-2 big hits right into the face. My favorite would be Y!+Amazon+Oracle+Murdoch against G :)

P!

swa66

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Msg#: 3565670 posted 9:33 pm on Feb 4, 2008 (gmt 0)

I'd rather see Yahoo! go to GOOG than to MSFT.

At least Google isn't trying to be evil.

Microsoft has been convicted and fined with record fines for abusing their de-facto monopoly before. All they are trying is to do the same in other markets where they do not (yet) have that power.
If you don't like Google already, try to imagine what "monkey boy" Balmer would do to search engines once he gets control.

walkman



 
Msg#: 3565670 posted 10:17 pm on Feb 4, 2008 (gmt 0)

swa66,
you're funny. You take Goog's slogan and repeat it as gospel. Without me taking sides, define "evil" for us, will you?

Tastatura

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Msg#: 3565670 posted 3:42 am on Feb 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

[quote] It seems to me that this "alliance" might be far more anti-competitive than actual increase in competition that would certainly come if Microsoft takes over Yahoo (even or otherwise) - it would be really funny to see if Microsoft will object to regulators about such tie up between two companies that would together combine 90%+ market share, this objection would certainly be more serious than anything Google can object legally about combination of MSFT+YHOO. [quote]

MS's acquisition of Y! would have to be approved by US and EU regulatory bodies etc., but [b]business deal / arrangement[b/] between Y! and G, where for example G provides search and ad serving for Y, would not have to be scrutinized by regulatory bodies (as it's business deal not a merger or buy-out)...

webastronaut

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Msg#: 3565670 posted 4:09 am on Feb 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

Please Google, buy Yahoo so MS does not!

Yahoo had a great thing going when they used Google Search.

Google can use their own logo and new features on Yahoo portal. MS and Yahoo merger would be a mess of very bad search results!

cliffhanger

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Msg#: 3565670 posted 4:12 am on Feb 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

I just read something about News Corp trying to gather money to make a higher big... it seems they are looking at Google to give them some money. Oops!

Personally, I think MSFT taking YHOO over makes a lot more sense than a YHOO, GOOG partnership. Yahoo and Google have nothing to gain from each other in terms of technology. Microsoft & Yahoo should be interesting.

Tastatura

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Msg#: 3565670 posted 4:52 am on Feb 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

Personally, I think MSFT taking YHOO over makes a lot more sense than a YHOO, GOOG partnership. Yahoo and Google have nothing to gain from each other in terms of technology. Microsoft & Yahoo should be interesting.

watching from sidelines I think it would be interesting to see what develops if MS get Y, especially between G and MS's rivalry (might be actually good for webmasters business wise). Remember that in previous ventures Google's CEO had to suffer from MS's actions (prior to joining G) and he didn't like it one bit. Now he is in charge of a ship that can rival MS. Also from business sense it makes sense for G to 'help' Y, if for nothing else but to hamper MS getting it's hands on it. Also Y's guys look towards MS as a 'bunch of old guys who don't get this internet thing'....should be interesting, let's get popcorn and enjoy the show

swa66

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Msg#: 3565670 posted 11:34 am on Feb 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

swa66,
you're funny. You take Goog's slogan and repeat it as gospel. Without me taking sides, define "evil" for us, will you?

No gospel, you're way off there. It's not that I trust GOOG never to be(come) evil, it's that MSFT is proven to be evil already.

The point is that MSFT is convicted of being evil, and had been fined with record setting fines for doing what they do best. They've destroyed e.g. the entire browser scene. Originally dominated by Netscape, by first offering for free their IE, next bundling in with their pseudo-monopolist OS, and then claiming it's integrated with the OS and can;t be taken out anymore. But what's the current result: IE is utterly broken and it's lack of support of standards (dating e.g. back to 1999) is just stopping progress. (IE6 more than 7, but both suffer, just take a look in the CSS forum). We're now somewhat back to having firefox, even if it's just an informed minority that uses it.

They've done almost exactly the same in the media player business, once dominated by real networks. The anti-trust dealigns they continue to have in these regards shows MSFTs disregard for rules set forth by the authorities to prevent exactly what they are doing.

If you continuously try to flagrantly break the rules set forth by a society where you try to dominate the market, you're evil in my book.

Why should we let them have yet another shot at doing their thing in a market where they -luckily- don't mean all that much right now? We know their ways.

But I guess the MSFT fanboys will not want to hear MSFT is evil.

np2003

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Msg#: 3565670 posted 2:12 pm on Feb 5, 2008 (gmt 0)


webastronaut: Please Google, buy Yahoo so MS does not!.
Yahoo had a great thing going when they used Google Search.

Great, so for us webmasters, if Google serps gets a fit, then it means goodbye to 90% of all traffic for your domain... Don't think thats a good idea if GOOG+YHOO are together, at least with YHOO+MSFT it will be like 50/50.

[edited by: np2003 at 2:33 pm (utc) on Feb. 5, 2008]

sem4u

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Msg#: 3565670 posted 2:15 pm on Feb 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

I just read something about News Corp trying to gather money to make a higher bid

That would be an interesting one to add to their existing portfolio including Myspace, TV channels/providers, film companies and newspapers.

Edit - now not going to happen...

[reuters.com...]

np2003

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Msg#: 3565670 posted 2:26 pm on Feb 5, 2008 (gmt 0)

swa66>it's that MSFT is proven to be evil already

Microsoft is a well established company being at the forefront of when computers were introduced to the world. GOOG is a new company, however I think we've all seeen what monopolistic traits Google has up its sleeve.

I guess Adobe should sue Microsoft for implementing Microsoft Paint in Windows 95. It is proven time and time again, consumers will always flock to a better/more useful product and IE/WM player fit the bill.

Everyone knows Real takes over your entire system trying to be a player for everything and implementing IE was just a normal path for Microsoft. The Internet revolution dawned on us and Microsoft was simply there providing the tools for everyone to utilize it.

If Netscape loaded faster, was better in every way, don't you think consumers would choose them over IE. Just as how everyone uses Google vs MSN, YHOO etc.

And you realize the record fines in the EU are just a crook way of that government making massive fees for themselves... Because at the end of the day, if Microsoft did not pay up, they'd lose more money in retail sales, then everyone ends up with pirated copies of MS products in Europe.

Software giant Microsoft must pay a fine of 497m euros ($613m; 331m) for abusing its dominant market position, the European Commission has ordered.

Microsoft spokesman Tom Brookes said the firm believed the settlement it proposed last week, which would have let it offer rival products alongside its own, "would have been better for European consumers".
[news.bbc.co.uk...]

So Microsoft tell the EU, they think it's a better idea to add competiting products to Windows, but the EU thinks a fine is better, hmmm.... :)

rubenski

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Msg#: 3565670 posted 9:24 am on Feb 6, 2008 (gmt 0)

I sure hope Google won't get its hands on Yahoo! It will effectively eliminate the chance of any competition for Adsense evolving in the coming years. MS and Yahoo should be able to offer at least some competition in the online advertising market.

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