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Yahoo Search Submit Basic Revamp
Yahoo refocuses pi as a value add proposition - analytics
Brett_Tabke




msg:3265378
 2:30 pm on Feb 27, 2007 (gmt 0)

Yahoo has tweaked the paid inclusion Search Submit Basic program.

[searchmarketing.yahoo.com...]

Search Submit Basic enables you to submit up to 5 URLs per domain for inclusion in non-sponsored search results on Yahoo!, and other portals such as AltaVista and AllTheWeb.

Your URLs are refreshed (re-crawled) every 7 business days to ensure that the most up-to-date content is available to search users.

When you initiate your Search Submit Basic subscription, a nonrefundable annual fee of $49 per URL is charged. This annual fee also includes account setup and a basic quality review of your pages. You can submit a maximum of 5 URLs per domain into the program.

Probably the biggest change to previous programs, is the depth of reporting available. They throw in the free analytics. The program is adminstered by PositionTech [positiontech.com]

On the other hand, check the guidlines, as they look to be significantly expanded from the older programs.

From the amount of background chatter this is generating even before it is officially relaunched, I'd say Yahoo is going to push this as a value add pretty hard.

 

Eric_Lander




msg:3265393
 2:46 pm on Feb 27, 2007 (gmt 0)

Wow, this is very big news Brett -- thanks for sharing!

The analytics alone would make it worth the price of admission based on what I'm seeing. I was a big fan of the old PT subscriptions. Not that Yahoo's a bit bigger, I'm all for this.

...Never thought I'd actually welcome paid submissions again with open arms, but I guess that's where we're at these days...

SEOold




msg:3265475
 3:35 pm on Feb 27, 2007 (gmt 0)

Thanks - this is great news!

SEOold




msg:3265492
 3:49 pm on Feb 27, 2007 (gmt 0)

I have a site that has been around for a logn time. We do really well in Google, but for some reason Yahoo hates us. We are indexed in Yahoo but we seem to be in some type of a penalty for over a year that does not allow us to rank for anything. I have written 6 months back to Yahoo to see if they can review us manually. The only ting I got from them was their old age automated response with their guidelines link saying to go through them. A paid inclusion was never done for this site.

Does anyone recommeed trying to to this basic inclusion? or other options? It's worth a try I guess, since I'm not ranking for anything.

spikey




msg:3265843
 8:51 pm on Feb 27, 2007 (gmt 0)

Last last year I made a mistake in one of my automated scipts and broke my Search Submit feed.
I didn't notice it until a month or so later when I realized that all my "Inktomi" traffic was gone (I'd tagged the links ages ago before they were acquired by Yahoo).
Lo and behold, my Yahoo SERPs had acquired nearly as much traffic as I'd lost. AFAIK, Search Submit does nothing for your ranks, it just guarantees the breath and frequency of your crawl. If you're already getting good crawls I don't think this will help you at all. If you aren't getting good crawls then I think there are cheaper and more encompassing solutions.
With that small error I saved myself over $1K/month (Search Submit Pro charges a PPC fee on top of the PFI).

justageek




msg:3266093
 1:08 am on Feb 28, 2007 (gmt 0)

Search Submit does nothing for your ranks

This is only true if you have excellent ranking already so for a LOT of people it works very well.

I've been able to achieve a number one rank for several companies for keywords that were very competitive. One I remember off the top of my head was for a very popular one word generic keyword that was able to beat a popular section of Yahoo! into the number one position.

What most people don't realize is that what is submitted through the program is then run through the regular ranking algorithm so it has to be 'optimized' correctly and often. Yahoo! does not tell you exactly how to optimize but by trial and error you can find the right mix and obtain first page rankings for pages you thought you couldn't. My feeds are rebuilt every day and there are millions of pages in them which makes it hard sometimes to see what works for every page but then again I don't know of any other form of 'seo' that can give you results in just one day and allow you to make changes and see those results the next day.

Is this for everyone? No way. What works the least - sites that beg for lookers such as porn sites. What works the best - sites that are paying a high cpc for their keywords. The cpc price for paid inclusion is a low of a few pennies to a high of less than a dollar with most less $0.50!

JAG

YahooPete




msg:3267222
 11:53 pm on Feb 28, 2007 (gmt 0)

Hi there,

Thanks for featuring our new Search Submit program and your positive comments. Based on valuable customer feedback, we have launched a new program called Search Submit Basic. As stated in previous posts, through Search Submit Basic, customers can submit up to 5 URLs for inclusion in the Yahoo! index (of course assuming content meets Yahoo!ís Content Quality guidelines), receive essential insights and email support for a flat yearly fee of $49 per URL.

Just to clarify, Search Submit Express is still part of the Search Submit product family and will continue to be supported for existing customers who are currently in the program. We are working on enhancements to Search Submit Express, and will not be accepting new enrollments into Search Submit Express.

To learn more about Yahoo!ís Search Submit products available to new customers, please visit this link: [searchmarketing.yahoo.com...]

Hope this information helps you guys out!

Best,
YahooPete

SEOold




msg:3269210
 5:16 pm on Mar 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

Hi YahooPete,

Thanks for the additional info. I have used the Search Submit Basic this week and it's great. Once you login to your account its very user friendly. I was able to view the status of my submission and reports and among other things. Itís also great to see your post here at webmaster world.

The only thing I would like to see is a contact us area or a user form for feedback to Yahoo. In many cases people have rare cases like mine.

Thanks

What most people don't realize is that what is submitted through the program is then run through the regular ranking algorithm so it has to be 'optimized' correctly and often. Yahoo!

Youíre right on!

The submission that I did this week was approved and now ranking. My case is very rare and for this reason I submitted it. I know we are not doing anything bad, we just needed someone to review our pages to say Ďyesí you meet our guidelines, because we know we do.

The web is huge and Yahoo canít get to everyone so if you have a rare case and you do meet Yahoo guidelines, you should give this new program a try.

auroinf0




msg:3269876
 10:30 am on Mar 3, 2007 (gmt 0)

its a great news indeed :)

but what does it guarantee?

justageek




msg:3270705
 3:43 pm on Mar 4, 2007 (gmt 0)

but what does it guarantee?

Nothing :-)

But it's been my experience that you do get higher ranking even without the guarentee.

JAG

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