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Yahoo Search Update: Dec. 11, 2006
Seeing big movement
textex

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Msg#: 3184998 posted 11:51 am on Dec 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

Seeing big movement this morning...

 

puppetmaster

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Msg#: 3184998 posted 4:14 pm on Dec 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

mac and cheese might not be good before it's cooked but cookie dough is delicious before it cooked.

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Msg#: 3184998 posted 5:13 pm on Dec 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

Looks the same to me may have reverted back

BillyS

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Msg#: 3184998 posted 7:12 pm on Dec 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm not seeing much of a change for us either.

surftrack

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Msg#: 3184998 posted 8:05 pm on Dec 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

starting to see some movement...at least in the api.

skweb

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Msg#: 3184998 posted 2:29 am on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

I feel sorry for all those guys at Yahoo - they just can't get it right no matter what they do. Wouldn't it make more sense if they just exit the search business and go back to Google? After all they were never a search company and after burning hundreds of millions of dollars all they have done is make the spammers rich.

foolsgold

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Msg#: 3184998 posted 8:16 am on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

New SERPs kicked in the UK overnight and generally not as good. Some of our sites have taken a hit and others have improved - but let's wait and see what comes out the other side. If there is another side!

TinkyWinky

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Msg#: 3184998 posted 9:31 am on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Agree - new SERPS a real mish-mash... some good some bad.

Why the hell don't Y or MSN take the lead and employ a few thousand editors to manually remove offending sites to a set of key crieria and reduce the spam sites across tens of thousands of key search phrases.

Whilst they will probably never get rid of it completely - if spam masters start to realise that IP blocks, types of sites and DNS registr's are being targetted - then maybe some will start to focus a little more on decent quality sites - as opposed to MFA / Scraper / Blog spam.

They have the resources and should have the foresight to help filter out at least some of the general c**p that seems to be so difficult to algo out of their results.

That aone would start to get some press and get them some traffic back - cos by god do they need it...

Just me 2c's

textex

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Msg#: 3184998 posted 11:59 am on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Wow...this is like a totally new new update. Very different than what was showing Monday. It was Decent before. Now...lots of crap and SPAM.

We went from top five before update...to 10-15 first wave of the update...to 40-50 in this new stage.

angiolo

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Msg#: 3184998 posted 12:23 pm on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Some sites are going up, some are falling down a little bit...
I have the impression that the Yahoo algo refers, as Google, to their cached databases.

Probably more weight on keywords in Url.

Old sites and new sites score better ( new sites probably for a better on page optimization).

surftrack

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Msg#: 3184998 posted 1:08 pm on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

not to be cynical or anything...but a major update that throws a ton of sites into oblivion coinciding with the new PPC platform (Panama)

call me crazy....

Zamboni

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Msg#: 3184998 posted 2:13 pm on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

I don't think this one is done yet, this morning even though I'm up to 9 from 11 the first page is mostly of mickey mouse sites and some of them have two spots in the top ten. Oh well, with Yahoo showing 4 sponsored listings up top I doubt if most searchers see the organic listings anymore.

surftrack

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Msg#: 3184998 posted 2:22 pm on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

yeah 4 spots...i do think that is quite ridiculous.

textex

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Msg#: 3184998 posted 3:12 pm on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Iam up and down, but the more I explore, the worse these results get! Holy cow! These SERPS throw them into the bottom of the barrel amongst all of the engines IMO.

Would be very dumb of Yahoo! to fall into that 'give 'em crappy results so they click on Sponsored listings' conspiracy. Google is such a monster they can get away with it. Yahoo! on the other hand is fighting a losing battle and by doing that, they will lose user retention.

surftrack

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Msg#: 3184998 posted 3:46 pm on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

i found my silver lining, some of my subpages on the site i have put the most work into the past 3 months are now ranking above the fold...not the biggest hitting keywords mind you, but almost 50 of em :)

I have noticed what may be a bug in the cache.

when using inline styles in hyperlink tags the cache shows the html instead of the link. Not sure if this was the case before or not, but it definately is now. I also don't know if this affects spidering or not...i guess it depends on if yahoo relies on the cache pages to spider or if it's sepparate from it.

Update:

After further research, the bug appears only if you put inline style in front of the href element of the anchor tag

textex

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Msg#: 3184998 posted 5:15 pm on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Tim is the update done?

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Msg#: 3184998 posted 6:11 pm on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

At this point, they seem to have taken a HUGE relevancy hit. Maybe the spam is gone, but there was never much in the way of spam in my sector before (unless you count about.com, which I do).

textex

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Msg#: 3184998 posted 6:44 pm on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am seeing one page sites with the kW in the domain that have no conent or IBL, just a picture linked with affiliate code ranking well.

puppetmaster

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Msg#: 3184998 posted 6:54 pm on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Angiolo- that's exactly with I'm seeing.

"Some sites are going up, some are falling down a little bit...
I have the impression that the Yahoo algo refers, as Google, to their cached databases.
Probably more weight on keywords in Url.

Old sites and new sites score better ( new sites probably for a better on page optimization). "

BillyS

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Msg#: 3184998 posted 8:55 pm on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

>>unless you count about.com, which I do

I do too (along with intentional misspellings), and Wikipedia is starting to show the same pattern.

We seem to be on a slight decline with this update - not sure why at this point. We recently (over the last five months) put in a lot of effort to improve content.

textex

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Msg#: 3184998 posted 10:42 pm on Dec 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

I don't understand how suspended wordpress, blogspot, google groups and parked domains are ranking?

foxtunes

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Msg#: 3184998 posted 12:17 am on Dec 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Perhaps there are still some filters yet to be applied, but so far this update is poor at best and farcical at worst.

Decius

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Msg#: 3184998 posted 1:13 am on Dec 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am seeing large changes but it seems to be reasonably good. I'm comparing searches between MSN, Y, and Google and Google is certainly stuffed with the same garbage (ebay, wikipedia, spam), MSN hasn't really changed for a while, and Y does not seem to be off topic. I'm not seeing keyword stuffed URLs or titles dominating the Serps. Maybe one here and there, but not like the top 15 on Google.

followgreg

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Msg#: 3184998 posted 1:47 am on Dec 14, 2006 (gmt 0)


I agree with ridgway, skweb and the others.
It IS embarassing for Yahoo when you compare their SERP's to Google's.

Same for MSN, these guys supposedly have big brain researchers working on search algorithms for years, yet they still can't make it even close to right.

They consistently have issues indexing legitimate websites while spammers get a quantum leap. I am not even talking about the rankings yet...I don't think they are even close to finding anything substential to improve quality.

Finally I think that they just don't care, the lower their SERP quality is, the higher their PPC income. Of course, that means they take us for stupid but what was I thinking? Ethics?

BillyS

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Msg#: 3184998 posted 2:31 am on Dec 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

followgreg - do you have specifics? In my sector, Yahoo looks pretty good and compares favorably to Google. MSN still lags the two - although they seem to have removed a lot of blogspot junk.

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Msg#: 3184998 posted 3:10 am on Dec 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Reading this is histerical. The results are absolutely terrible for lack of better or harnessed words. The histerical part is that you can tell who did well and who didnt in this update. But to remove bias opinions search an unrelated topic to your income. Than seriously state that this is a good update.......

surftrack

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Msg#: 3184998 posted 3:56 am on Dec 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

it's a good update

Powdork

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Msg#: 3184998 posted 4:38 am on Dec 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

so you did well, then?

On a happier note. This thing isn't over yet. I sent Y! several nasty letters about how my 'most relevant of all keyword sites' was dropped to #313 earlier today. It's now back up to #42.

Most of the shifts I am seeing and the pages that don't appear to be ranking properly are index pages. Kind of reminds me of an old fashioned Google Update where the authority index pages are wiped out in order to calculate everything else and then added back in.

[edited by: Powdork at 4:39 am (utc) on Dec. 14, 2006]

Rachel2

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Msg#: 3184998 posted 4:54 am on Dec 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Update: Sure some sites went up and others went down. I personally don't use Yahoo to do my searches and haven't for a long time. The results are mainly scrapers sites anyways.

But this update is so funny. Looking at some of the top ten results and finding msn myspaces which no longer exist, blogs and sites which require log in to view contents, and of course many results from google groups and blogs. Where is the sites that have valuable content in which people are looking for?

Now I am real happy about the results, since I know most users will hate them and go to other search engines :)

vstevens

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Msg#: 3184998 posted 5:06 am on Dec 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hello Powdork.

What did you actually say to yahoo Edited version, I guess.. And did it help your case? Or was the increase in serps or movement going in that direction anyway?

Powdork

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Msg#: 3184998 posted 5:15 am on Dec 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

No, I just think I said something and it hapened to be in the middle of an update that is still ongoing. My site is not the only one still moving.

On the other hand, maybe I did get someone's attention. Now when I click the send feedback link, i just get a blank page.

surftrack

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Msg#: 3184998 posted 5:29 am on Dec 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

so you did well, then?

no.

My site is not the only one still moving.

Mine are still moving too...albeit in the wrong direction :(

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