| 10:17 am on Jan 17, 2007 (gmt 0)|
|7. Yahoo "creates" a new title based on the incoming link's anchor text |
This is happening, Iím even seeing it on Google adwords/adsense adverts. Some of these ads are using 301 redirects on their URI and yahoo is displaying both URI's the redirected one with the adwords anchor text and the end URI with the correct title text.
But strangely enough they no longer rank for their targeted search term, they appear to be filtered, but how could they display the anchor from adwords in the first place?
Didnít think Slurps had that capability.
| 4:41 pm on Jan 17, 2007 (gmt 0)|
I even see it happening with titles in PRWEB press releases. Got to be a bug, can't see PRWEB having a penalty or having anything to do with adSense.
| 9:45 pm on Jan 17, 2007 (gmt 0)|
I see it all over the place, commonly where the final trailing slash is dropped from a page so that it displays like
Since Yahoo is having horrible problems with 301's right now, it seem it is the same basic issue.
URls that have been redirected long ago but are displaying in the serps show this phenomenon, and so do pages where there URL is displayed without a trailing slash.
Yahoo just needs to learn to handle 301s. Souldn't take more than a decade or so...
Now that I said that, I also see the phenomenon hitting lots of pagename.html pages too, so those aren't having trailing slashes dropped. I guess the answer is just that Yahoo sucks.
| 9:48 am on Jan 19, 2007 (gmt 0)|
I've just noticed that my PPC ads are appearing within the Yahoo SERPS with this problem. One of the PPC ad titles is appearing in the natural search results.
I append a query string onto my PPC ads so I can track the particular keyword and group that the word is in.
When you click the natural search result I get the query string on the URL.
This is a serious pain for tracking and is also a nightamre for working out the effectiveness of the campaigns I am running across both channels.
I dont know is this is a panama side effect or if its just a general muck up at Yahoo.
Anyone any ideas on how to get round this?
| 2:19 pm on Jan 19, 2007 (gmt 0)|
As I see from my and competitors web sites.
Yahoo has some kind of "trust" policy. If it trusts web site(or its title) - it displays its title. If no - it looks for most commonused anchor text - and displays it.
Then it makes it lower case.
| 4:11 pm on Jan 19, 2007 (gmt 0)|
I saw this when I was home but of course now that I'm at work I'm on a different DC and can't see the issue.
I know it's not related to a penalty, I know it's not DMOZ or Yahoo dir titles, and it has nothing to do with robots.txt files or noindex tags.
My customers title tag is "Three Word KeyWord Store - Domain.com"
Yahoo has changed the title to "three word keyword" in lowercase.
It either has to do with anchor text pointing to the page or yahoo deciding to strip out everything but the keyword phrase.
I only did a search for "three word keyword" to see the results this morning so Ill have to wait until I can see them here at work to tell if "random keyphrase" returns "three word keyword" or something else.
If it returns something else for the homepage, I would conclude it's the search triggering the change and if the title is still the messed up one I would conclude it's the anchor text triggering the change.
Either way, it needs to stop.
[edited by: JeremyL at 4:41 pm (utc) on Jan. 19, 2007]
| 4:28 pm on Jan 19, 2007 (gmt 0)|
It may be anchor text triggered, one site mostly has 3 keyword anchors pointing at it and Y put title in lower case and removed 1st word in title that is not part of 3 keyword anchors.
Doing a search with The (which is 1st word in title) and 3 keywords brings normal title.
Have to wonder if this is Y's way of putting it to optimisers. If they don't like it they can not rank it but why mess with our sites too?
| 7:39 pm on Jan 19, 2007 (gmt 0)|
We have actually been through *two* lower-case title applications on the same page recently.
The first time, we were given an old title of the page, one that we used to use. But, all the words were in lower-case except for the last word, which is the name of our company and a proper noun.
This morning, it changed to a keyword phrase that is frequently used as anchor text. We also moved to the #1 spot! That same title is used elsewhere, we are #3 on another keyphrase but the first one provides the title in all cases.
I am thrilled about making #1, it's an amazingly competitive phrase, but the title...Lord it's killing me, it looks so much like spam!
Does anyone have any idea when and if Yahoo is going to fix this?
| 11:41 pm on Jan 19, 2007 (gmt 0)|
> Yahoo has some kind of "trust" policy. If it trusts web site(or its title) - it displays its title. If no - it looks for most commonused anchor text - and displays it.
It's not that. I have one site, happily just a information site I don't make money on, that has one page showing lower case title that isn't there...while another page on the same site lists just fine.
Moreover, I've seen countless governmental pages listed this way.
As far as 301's go, I doubt that is the issue entirely either. Simply because the site of mine this has happened on does NOT use 301's.
I strongly suspect this has to be some odd bug running through Yahoo right now. The sites and pages within sites that has this happening too seem to have no traits "in common".
Wonder why on Earth Yahoo isn't attempting to fix this ASAP.
This little bug of their is making their SERPS looks like total garbage.
| 2:11 am on Jan 20, 2007 (gmt 0)|
|> Yahoo has some kind of "trust" policy. If it trusts web site(or its title) - it displays its title. If no - it looks for most commonused anchor text - and displays it. |
|It's not that. I have one site, happily just a information site I don't make money on, that has one page showing lower case title that isn't there...while another page on the same site lists just fine. |
Could mean that Title replace/noreplace happens on per-page basis, not site basis. Re trust notrust, may be they want to make it easier to users. Not sure if it's for better or worse.
I've seen the SERP where 5 of top 10 are modified titles. The search was "blue someword widgets" (w/o quotes). Modified titles are:
Companyname1 blue widgets
comapnyname2 blue widgets
Comapnyname3 blue widgets
All original titles contain "blue widgets" and all have some part stripped off. Word "someword" is not even in text of some target pages, but that's another aspect of interesting Yahoo's algo ;) The stripped part in some cases is: #1, best, unbelievable etc. type of words (good), but in other cases additional meaningful information about the target page (bad).
| 1:45 pm on Jan 20, 2007 (gmt 0)|
I can identify the day this started happening [webmasterworld.com]. IMHO the theory is proven.
| 9:13 pm on Jan 22, 2007 (gmt 0)|
|IMHO the theory is proven. |
Which theory, Witch?
| 12:27 am on Jan 23, 2007 (gmt 0)|
Finally an answer from Yahoo: "It turns out that this was an error from recent updates and we will be rolling out a fix very shortly. Once again, thank you for the feedback and keep it coming". Posted on the Yahoo Search Blog.
| 12:50 am on Jan 23, 2007 (gmt 0)|
Should I take bets on how long it takes to fix?
| 3:10 am on Jan 23, 2007 (gmt 0)|
Where is that posted, Iím not seeing any reference to that statement posted on the Yahoo Search Blog. A weather report yes, but nothing about bug fixes.
| 3:24 am on Jan 23, 2007 (gmt 0)|
[ysearchblog.com...] Next to the last post as of 8:25 pm MT 1/22/07
| 3:50 am on Jan 23, 2007 (gmt 0)|
Well that might explain the huge drop in Slurps visits yesterday, total visits were down by 66%. With all the incorrectly index pages Iím seeing I was beginning to think Iíd been penalized.
| 12:14 pm on Jan 23, 2007 (gmt 0)|
>> I append a query string onto my PPC ads so I can track the particular keyword and group that the word is in. <<
Make sure that any and every agent that visits the query-string URL is fed a <meta name="robots" content="noindex"> tag on the page.
| 12:08 pm on Jan 24, 2007 (gmt 0)|
Tim Mayer informed [seroundtable.com] us that this should be resolved in the next 24 hours or so...
|We launched a fix to the issue with lower case titles coming from anchor text. You should notice some changes tomorrow. |
| 2:58 pm on Jan 24, 2007 (gmt 0)|
|Should I take bets on how long it takes to fix? |
Maybe not. Looks fixed already, from where I sit.
| 3:10 pm on Jan 24, 2007 (gmt 0)|
It is fixed for us as well.
| 1:54 am on Feb 12, 2007 (gmt 0)|
What is going on with the lower case titles? Is anyone else still seeing this? Two of our clients sites are currently ranking in the top 3 but titles are lower case and no meta description.
| 12:50 pm on Mar 2, 2007 (gmt 0)|
Not precisely this problem, but something similar.
To be exact:
The Yahoo search result shows the title of my site as the title from the Yahoo directory, in upper and lower case.
The description, however, is made up of lower case snippets from (1) the Yahoo directory description - which is the same as much incoming anchor text on scraper sites - and (2) snippets from the site text.
The probable cause of this is that the site's title tag and the meta description are identical - a mistake which I am going to fix right now.
Thanks to all the contributors to this thread, BTW.
| 10:12 pm on Mar 2, 2007 (gmt 0)|
|The Yahoo search result shows the title of my site as the title from the Yahoo directory, in upper and lower case. |
fred - Take a look at this thread re the Yahoo Directory title...
Yahoo Formalizes NOYDIR Tag
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