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Yahoo Update July 13th
textex




msg:3006999
 12:20 pm on Jul 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am seeing a major update...I think?

I say I think b/c it is so bad it seems like a bug. There was also no weather report on the Yahoo! blog.

Anyone else seeing what I am seeing?

 

JoeSinkwitz




msg:3007400
 3:09 pm on Jul 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yes, I posted something an hour or so ago...

Are you seeing...

1. False authorities everywhere (wiki, gov stuff, etc)
2. Still a lot of blogs
3. Sites that were ranking vanishing left and right (for no apparent reason); at the count today, across multiple industries, we lost several.

I should also note that they are still mistakingly indexing junk URLs.

Joe

[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 3:50 pm (utc) on July 14, 2006]
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JoeSinkwitz




msg:3007470
 3:27 pm on Jul 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

LOL, I know it's premoderated; I didn't mean for it to sound bad. :-)

The more I'm digging into this update, the more problems I'm finding guys. I'm trying to set aside the blogs and false authorities in order to see why the remaining sites rank and it looks to be an absolute crapshoot, with no real correlation with on-page or off-page facotrs.

Textex, are you seeing that too?

atlrus




msg:3007486
 3:35 pm on Jul 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Oh man, I hope it's a bug and will be gone soon - I see some of the crazies things EVER!

and so much blog subs...

idolw




msg:3007512
 3:41 pm on Jul 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

are all webmasters checking yahoo now?
SERPs do not load...

textex




msg:3007537
 3:50 pm on Jul 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

cygnus, that is exactly what I am seeing. no authority whatsoever. heavy weight appears to be on poor quality links and links from spam. if this sticks...yahoo! is going backwards

soapystar




msg:3007549
 3:53 pm on Jul 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

wow!

its a amazing. Its like they are saying:
here are sites built with no regard to our guidlines. This demonstrates how pointless our blanket c block bans are when we leave these sites in and then boost them through the serps.

youd think it would take a lot of work to boost light weight sites as exclusively as this update has done.

JoeSinkwitz




msg:3007684
 4:02 pm on Jul 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hmm, I'm noticing more Y directory listings showing up, both in terms of a link to the directory and listings that appear in that specific directory result-set.

angiolo




msg:3007756
 4:27 pm on Jul 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am noticing some movements, but nothing big.

Dayo_UK




msg:3007768
 4:30 pm on Jul 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

UK Yahoo/ATW and Alta still seems a bit different (worse) from Yahoo.com/Yahoo.it and other regionals.

[edited by: Dayo_UK at 4:32 pm (utc) on July 14, 2006]

incrediBILL




msg:3007790
 4:36 pm on Jul 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

One of my big keywords dropped over 100 spots in their last update and it bounced back in this one.

Weird.

sugarrae




msg:3007806
 4:43 pm on Jul 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Definitely seeing massive movement across all serps that I pay attention too. I see one particular type of thing being targeted - lots of sites with this "quality" are dropping left and right. Also see some newer sites that "popped" last update missing from their search terms even when looking into the hundreds.

Garya




msg:3007813
 4:46 pm on Jul 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Seeing some strage results.
My site is 3 times on the first page 1 domain & 2 subdomains.

Dayo_UK




msg:3007817
 4:47 pm on Jul 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Are people see the changes on Yahoo.com and the regionals - or just Yahoo.com at this stage.

Yahoo.co.uk results have been poor for about 2 months or so (just before the last update) and I cant see much difference there.

Garya




msg:3007822
 4:48 pm on Jul 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Looks as bad as MSN and Google now. Time for a new search engine.

JoeSinkwitz




msg:3007834
 4:53 pm on Jul 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm just seeing the changes on US-related Yahoo sites right now.

Dayo_UK




msg:3007841
 4:55 pm on Jul 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Cheers JoeSinkwitz

Yahoo.com is kind to me - Yahoo.co.uk is not so kind for some reason - hopefully the results on .com are the future for my sites.

soapystar




msg:3007897
 5:34 pm on Jul 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

right about Google..just as Google opened the door to a new challengers Yahoo went and slid behind them again..way to go!

talk about missing the boat!

Garya




msg:3007907
 5:43 pm on Jul 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Last Update was bad for MSN, just like the update today was bad for Yahoo.
This puts Google back on top now with more bad results.
Seems like search engine results are going down hill with results, trying to fight spam.
Looks like Ask.com is doing the best right now and has good results.

natim




msg:3007929
 5:56 pm on Jul 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

There's a weather report announcing the changes, here's brief comment: "We rolled out an index update last night. As usual, you may see some changes in ranking as well as some shuffling of the pages that are included in the index."

This could be the most screwed up serps I have seen in a long time.

textex




msg:3007951
 6:14 pm on Jul 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

shuffling?! more like they just threw the cards in the air...letting them fall to the ground...like 52 pickup

JoeSinkwitz




msg:3007956
 6:19 pm on Jul 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

All one can do in these situations is:
1. Identify what those sites that are ranking are doing.
2. Find out any common themes among the sites that you lost.
3. Weigh the pros/cons of deciding to modify your site for one particular search engine in order to emulate those sites that are ranking.
4. If you decide to not make changes, fill out a feedback form and let them know why.

Personally, I ended up getting to #4. We changed the way some new sites will work to deal with Y's indexing issues, but that's about it. They are very lucky that Google and MSN have stumbled in their own indexing/ranking abilities as of late.

Cygnus

SuddenlySara




msg:3007982
 6:41 pm on Jul 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

spam blogs and guestbooks that all you need to do to rank in Yahoo as said many times in other posts.

caveman




msg:3007998
 6:51 pm on Jul 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Very spotty so far. One interesting example: I've got a site, let's say, about round and oval widgets. The two kinds of widgets are definitely different, but clearly can be marketed together. The site has pretty consistently ranked between 5 and 10 for "round widgets" and for "oval widgets" respectively.

Today: "round widgets": up to #3 ... "oval widgets": down to #47.

Hehe.

What is so interesting is that it's not like the site was penalized for "oval widgets" since it is still ranking for the phrase, just not as well as before. Something about what they've done likes one much more than the other. Backlinks are varied, and roughly equal in weight between: mentioning only round widgets, mentioning only oval widgets, and mentioning both.

Very spotty.

JoeSinkwitz




msg:3008014
 7:02 pm on Jul 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

I've been playing with all sorts of consumer products, just to see what I get; I see something else in addition to the previous stuff...

Brands are now ranking significantly higher than resellers/wholesellers. In many ways, those brands are false authorities, given that purchase-driven related searches are actually looking for resellers/wholesellers. Now, I'm not saying they just axed affiliates (but they did, let's not kid ourselves), but it looks like big-time resellers and wholesellers got hurt too.

Food for thought [it's lunch time where I am].

Cygnus

[edit] If you're searching for something like "widget", a lot of searches now show "widget.com" as the first one or two entries, when this wasn't necessarily the case previously, even if the site should otherwise not even crack the top 30.[/edit]

[edited by: JoeSinkwitz at 7:04 pm (utc) on July 14, 2006]

MLHmptn




msg:3008089
 8:11 pm on Jul 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

LOL Yahoo! This is disgusting! This better not be complete or your market share is going to dip even further.

MrStitch




msg:3008111
 8:26 pm on Jul 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Well, my site went from 110 to 18... which is about where it should be in all honesty.

So if they keep changing it.... I sure hope I keep climbing. ;)

Erku




msg:3008113
 8:30 pm on Jul 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Well,

Let's say something posetive here. Our site is an authority in it's industry and ranked extremely bad before, now we see some positive sings. We hope that we can all judge after the update settles. I am sure it will take a week or so. What do you think, how long will this take untill everything settles?

We some some postive results in our industry.

Thanks.

Garya




msg:3008126
 8:38 pm on Jul 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

The Ca. search looks much better as far as results
[ca.search.yahoo.com...]

Steelbank




msg:3008140
 8:51 pm on Jul 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am actually seeing some positive things in this update. I would be quite happy with the results given the following:

1. blogs would be moderated more carefully
2. repeated results from a site not make up the entire first 6 results (i.e. .edu, .gov and wiki)

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