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GetClicky Makes Me Want to Get Clicky and.
JD_Toims




msg:4653021
 2:36 pm on Mar 11, 2014 (gmt 0)

Go somewhere else -- It stalls the page load out way too often for me to not get a bit frustrated and not want to visit as much or even find somewhere else.

Hopefully, GetClicky can GetFasty or WebmasterWorld can GetMovey and find something else, because this clicky &*%$ keeping pages from loading from 5 to 25 seconds sometimes, even on something simple like a refresh is ridiculous and frustrating.

[edited by: lawman at 3:40 pm (utc) on Mar 11, 2014]

 

engine




msg:4653089
 5:49 pm on Mar 11, 2014 (gmt 0)

Thanks, yes, it's something we're investigating.

thomcraver




msg:4653108
 6:54 pm on Mar 11, 2014 (gmt 0)

I totally understand your frustration and am sorry you're experiencing slowness. However, I'm not sure Clicky is the culprit.

Clicky loads via asynchronous JavaScript. It doesn't affect the page load time because the page continues to load while Clicky is doing its thing in the background.

This can be seen via this 3rd-party test: [gtmetrix.com...] Click on Timeline to see how the page loads. Clicky is one of the quickest pieces of code to load.

WebmasterWorld, itself, is slow. We have plans to change that and they are slowly in motion. However, it will take time.

Thanks for your continued input and understanding.

JD_Toims




msg:4653172
 1:40 am on Mar 12, 2014 (gmt 0)

Thanks, yes, it's something we're investigating.

Cool, I'm glad -- The site usually stalls a bit when I make a new post during the saving process, but there are a ton of times I just get tired of waiting and click on the forum link, then click on the thread and check to make sure what I posted is there and I'd say over half the time when I get the "Post Accepted Redirecting" [or whatever the exact wording is] message after posting, when I look down at the bottom of the browser it says something about in.getclicky.com. There are not many times it stalls like that and says anything about "connecting to" webmasterworld.com -- Sure, sometimes it does, but I post a bunch and that stuff happens. It's when it's consistently a specific site I decide to say something.

However, I'm not sure Clicky is the culprit.

Well, I'm pretty sure I've seen it on other sites too, like some major major ones -- I don't remember of the top of my head, but I think one day abcnews.go.com stalled out on "clicky" so bad [over a minute more than once -- all I really remember is thinking "oh, wow, they use that "stuff" too? Unreal...] I finally went somewhere else.

I'm not the average complainer, cause I write a bit of code and understand "stuff" [making sure lawman doesn't need to edit again ;)] happens, but as fast or slow as you think WebmasterWorld is, I've been a member here for almost 9 years and when I look to see what's stalling out, it's not WebmasterWorld it's one of the external resources, like twitter, facebook, and most recently clicky.

I wouldn't just "bring it up" to "say something", because there's no benefit to me in that -- When the site stalls out on me lately most of the time all I see "connecting to in.getclicky.com" or "transferring data from in.getclicky.com"

Does me no good to "tell a story", so please really look into things, because I've been around a bit, and until WebmasterWorld started adding external resources it was one of [if not the absolute] fastest sites I've ever been on [no joke, I used to compare "real world load speed" of sites I was working on to WebmasterWorld and I've had sites I've been working on open in one tab and WebmasterWorld open in another more than once before to try to get a page to load as fast as they did here -- It took me days to get to where what I was working on loaded as fast "in the wild"], so I'm not quite sure how or why you're saying WebmasterWorld is slow -- Forget about the "testing software/services", be a real user and compare it to other sites for a while.

Before they added anything external here, I had to double check sometimes to see if a page refreshed and sometimes I would go from one forum to another and didn't notice the page changed, because it was that fast...

JD_Toims




msg:4653330
 3:23 pm on Mar 12, 2014 (gmt 0)

What I'm talking about by "being a real user" compared to a tool is it's simple to "trick a tool" into saying the "start to finish" load time is faster than it is by loading things asynchronously via JavaScript, but to the "end user" it doesn't matter that the tool says it's faster by switching something like the twitter code to an asynchronous load -- As a user, the page isn't done loading until I can click the tweet button if I want to.

Real users don't care that a tool says something is faster by loading things late and then "filling in the blanks", in fact, sometimes it's totally annoying to get the text and base template of a page, then start reading and have the template adjust itself and fill things in so everything's accessible and where it should be, because the "fill in the blank process" moves what you're reading and you lose your place.

A tool says it's faster that way, but the reality is, to a real user, the page isn't done loading until everything is in place, works and things stop moving around and filling in -- It doesn't matter what a tool says, because it's just that, a tool, not a user.

When people follow the "tool advice" to the letter, rather than using it as guidelines and then using the site/page as a user would and testing adjustments, they can actually not only slow things down, but make the page/site annoying.

JD_Toims




msg:4653512
 2:19 am on Mar 13, 2014 (gmt 0)

One more note:

If I was a WebmasterWorld admin, I wouldn't worry about things being slow/slower to save than to view, because I'd wager if someone asked "that Brett_Tabke guy" who built WebmasterWorld if he built it with "load speed" as a priority over "save speed", he'd say it was -- Why? Because I think he knew/knows: If someone really wants to "say something", they'll wait; If someone really wants to "know something", you better not "leave 'em hangin" or they'll go away.

I've learned a ton of things that aren't always posted about here over the years, and "Flat out fast. How on earth did they do it? How can I compete?!" is one of the thoughts I've had and tried to figure out, and those thoughts and the tests I've run due to them have made me way better at "finding speed."

There's no question to me, even today with the "external stuff", when compared to most sites [as a user who doesn't care about a tool report, or if things are loaded inline or asynchronously -- a page isn't done loading until I can see/use everything], this site from "click" to "done loading everything and ready to go" is still one of, if not the fastest, I visit.

I guess maybe it just makes me "grouchy" and "frustrated" when "stuff" [politely] slows it down, especially when it's external "stuff", because now that I've seen how fast a site can be, I *expect* WebmasterWorld to be fast and in-the-running with the fastest sites I've been on a "start to finish" from a "visitor/user; I couldn't care less what a 'tool report' says." perspective.

All I really care about as a user and visitor here as far as speed goes is: How long does it take to load *everything* on the page, and the external "stuff" IME is what "stalls it out" and "slows it down" on a "completely done loading, you can use it all" basis -- WebmasterWorld in-and-of-itself is *not* slow by any stretch of the imagination.

Brett_Tabke




msg:4653623
 10:49 am on Mar 13, 2014 (gmt 0)

put it in your hosts file and point it at local host 127.0.0.1.

under vista/8/7 it is probably in C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts

127.0.0.1 in.getclicky.com
127.0.0.1 static.getclicky.com
127.0.0.1 getclicky.com

[someonewhocares.org...]
[winhelp2002.mvps.org...]

JD_Toims




msg:4653695
 2:48 pm on Mar 13, 2014 (gmt 0)

Thanks, good idea -- For future readers on a Mac:

Login as Root
Enter "/etc" in the "go to folder" option in the finder.
Edit the host file in the /private/etc directory.

JD_Toims




msg:4653810
 8:00 pm on Mar 13, 2014 (gmt 0)

I didn't block it yet so I could show what's going on -- I refreshed the Google Forum a few minutes ago and had enough time to do this before the content of the page reloaded:

[i1310.photobucket.com...]

Yup, I had time to notice it, move the cursor from the refresh button to the bottom of the window, hit command-shift-4, select the area I wanted and take a screen shot of the page load stalled due to GetClicky -- I probably could have done it twice if I wanted.

So much for it not affecting page load speed.

engine




msg:4654112
 5:33 pm on Mar 14, 2014 (gmt 0)

Thanks for taking the time to report it, and it's given our team more info.

JD_Toims




msg:4654270
 5:27 am on Mar 15, 2014 (gmt 0)

Sure thing -- I took some more screen shots this AM to show what I'm seeing.

It takes days to load for me, and everything's doubled, but if people look at the titles or image names (they're the times of the screen caps) it should be easy to see I'm not "just complaining" -- The top left WebmasterWorld graphic isn't loaded (the alt text is linked) and the border around the header is the same size on the two refreshes I did, so it's easy to see I wasn't just reloading to try and make anyone look bad or anything like that.

The screen shots should be here: [s1310.photobucket.com...] -- If anyone has a problem, except for the days it takes to load, let me know and I'll figure out how to show them better.

NOTE: thomcraver has stickied me, and based on what I've heard from him, not only is he concerned, he's looking into making changes, which I think is Totally Awesome and *way* more than I ever expected when I posted initially, so if anyone else has an issue with Clicky for some reason, I hope they will bring it up and illustrate it, then give them a chance, because I'm not in any way affiliated, but thomcraver has taken the time out of his day to try and work through things and find solutions to what I've posted about in this thread, which to me is *absolutely cool* and not heard of often these days.

Bottom Line: Whether the Clicky code is slowing this site down or not, I'm *seriously* impressed with Clicky and thomcraver -- I didn't expect anything from either, but now there's no way I could/would expect or ask for more. I gotta say "Great Job!" and fantastic customer service.

thomcraver




msg:4654376
 2:50 pm on Mar 15, 2014 (gmt 0)

My pleasure. I can't commit as much time as I'd like here, but I'm trying to get more involved. Either way, please feel free to Sticky me issues if I don't see them.

JD_Toims




msg:4654389
 4:10 pm on Mar 15, 2014 (gmt 0)

Who isn't a bit "time challenged"? I think it's cool you're even here and caring enough to listen to what's happening and taking at look at it when you have time.

Thanks!

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