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WebmasterWorld Updates - Three column home page?
WebmasterWorld making changes
jbinbpt




msg:4068995
 3:30 pm on Jan 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

OK. I am seeing a two column home page at WW. How long has this been up?

I like it !

 

Conard




msg:4069298
 8:35 pm on Jan 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

I thought it was broken:(

pageoneresults




msg:4069299
 8:35 pm on Jan 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

It just looks wrong with the menu on the left hand side.

I'll echo that sentiment. I'm so used to having my cursor sitting either at the center or to the right of the document. Not at the left hand side of the page. I'm right handed. That's a left handed menu. ;)

rocknbil




msg:4069312
 8:47 pm on Jan 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

<snicker at some of the comments>

I understand the reasoning, all the threads and posts here about all those statistics indicating "where people expect things to be," in that upper left area of the viewport, I see this as finally knuckling in to what's probably some of the recommendations here.

I always saw the home page of this site as a testimonial that "what you hear is not always 100% true," that it worked fine and put what was intended to be first more toward the hot area: the featured discussions.

This was the rebel site, the one that works in spite of the recommendations, now it no longer is.

But that's OK, we'll get used to it and all will be fine. :-P

Brett_Tabke




msg:4069313
 8:49 pm on Jan 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

lol rocknbil. Ya, we proposed right side menus before anyone else. I noticed about 11 years ago, that my other sites running skyscrappers on the right had 2x the click through rates of those with sky scrappers on the left. It slowly caught on ;-) However, everyone complained back-in-the-day, that they were on the wrong side. I still remember a discussion with several admins here when I put them on the right side. hehe

ogletree




msg:4069328
 9:14 pm on Jan 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

I don't like change. I'm also seeing that the main part of the page looks very different. One of the reasons WebmasterWorld is the only forum I really use is I'm so used to it. I have been coming here 6 years and I'm quite used to the old way.

jbinbpt




msg:4069333
 9:15 pm on Jan 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

Let us pick a style sheet for the layout we want.

Left or right
Pick the columns we want.
Color scheme
Font / size

Brett_Tabke




msg:4069337
 9:21 pm on Jan 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

Who says there will be columns at all. Might just go "google'esque" spartan ;-)

Same bat time, same bat channel ;-)

g1smd




msg:4069368
 10:03 pm on Jan 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

Hmm, longer scroll for featured topics as they are now more spread out.

Also preferred topic list on the right. I'll let you know in a week.

Demaestro




msg:4069376
 10:22 pm on Jan 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

IMO it doesn't look as good if you have a really wide monitor and your browser at full screen.

At normal size it looks pretty ok... I am still in the right hand side nav camp though.

johnnie




msg:4069377
 10:24 pm on Jan 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

To be perfectly honest, the indenting of the thread description does not look very clean.

As for the rest; am I experiencing mirror vision? It'll take some getting used to, but it's not bad!

Demaestro




msg:4069387
 10:33 pm on Jan 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

Maybe holding a CSS contest would be fun.

Have people submit stylesheets for the current layout and see what they do with it.

Not that it is ugly but it is amazing where some people go with design.

woop01




msg:4069388
 10:36 pm on Jan 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

Related question, has anybody ever implemented a design update that was universally accepted by the long time users?

Demaestro




msg:4069391
 10:49 pm on Jan 27, 2010 (gmt 0)

has anybody ever implemented a design update that was universally accepted by the long time users?

Nope, at least I haven't. Humans are creatures of habit, change is never easy to implement. No matter how much better the new one is people who are "used to" the old one will cling to it until the new one becomes ingrained into them.

I would wager that if you gave a new skin enough time and then reverted back to an older design the same people that hated the new one would hate hate the old one even more.

maximillianos




msg:4069484
 1:21 am on Jan 28, 2010 (gmt 0)

I don't mind the nav being moved to the other side. But something about the top stories looks off. They are all spaced out weird. The text for each featured story needs to be grouped together more tightly.

I'm on Firefox/Ubuntu, which the homepage looks awful on anyway, so maybe it just my machine.

wheel




msg:4069500
 1:55 am on Jan 28, 2010 (gmt 0)

lol. Anyone else every participated in a major forum design revision? It's freakin' horrible. NOBODY's happy. The only thing people hate more than the new layout is the old layout.

I moved from phpbb to vb on a large forum once. I hope never to have to go through that again. this font's too big. that font's to small. I used to be able to see this, now I see something else.

Not saying the concerns aren't valid. Just sayin.....I hate being webmaster for those kinds of changes.

Readie




msg:4069516
 2:27 am on Jan 28, 2010 (gmt 0)

A suggestion that immediatley leaps to my mind is having the show/hide sub-forums functionality that you have on the forum index on the home page, perhaps even linking the two together (hide on one page, hidden on both)

My comment:

It does feel a bit wierd with the new layout, even only coming here for less than 2 months I got used to it on the right. Still, I personally like left-aligned sky scrapers, and I have no complaint about distance from the scroll bar, as I'm strongly in the habit of using my mousewheel to scroll :)

UserFriendly




msg:4069541
 3:22 am on Jan 28, 2010 (gmt 0)

Is the site going to switch to accessible HTML + CSS anytime soon?

As I said in a different thread, it's been a long time since I noticed a site whose markup still uses the center element, and the whole site uses tables for layout.

I don't think it would take much to produce the same look the site has now, but switch out the markup for semantic HTML and CSS. (But I'm always an optimist at the start of a project that I've suggested.)

Brett_Tabke




msg:4069567
 4:46 am on Jan 28, 2010 (gmt 0)

Thanks Glenn. Made my day.

would wager that if you gave a new skin enough time and then reverted back to an older design the same people that hated the new one would hate hate the old one even more.

You should have been around the first time when I moved the Index page [webmasterworld.com] off of the home page and went to the current slashdot inspired style.

maximillianos




msg:4069574
 5:01 am on Jan 28, 2010 (gmt 0)

Look on the brightside. At least you don't have to deal with plummeting Adsense revenue from the redesign. ;-)

I think everyone is suffering from flipped house syndrome. We all walked in and found the furniture, door, windows and rooms reversed. It would take anyone time to get use to it.

zett




msg:4069596
 5:53 am on Jan 28, 2010 (gmt 0)

Don't like it.

First, because I am not used to it (that will be gone over the next few days).

Second, because I am using a 16:9 widescreen with 1920x1080 pixels, and the sub-headlines are now looooooong lines of text where in the past it would be more like several lines in a paragraph.

Why fix it when it is not broken?

willybfriendly




msg:4069604
 6:10 am on Jan 28, 2010 (gmt 0)

Against my better judgement I will chime in...

I preferred the right aligned menus. It is a design element I have used on other sites as well.

Wwwwiiiiide screens simply make it more relevant to have the menu close to the scroll bar - mouse wheel or not.

wolfadeus




msg:4069650
 8:49 am on Jan 28, 2010 (gmt 0)

I am scared. Everything is changing. I thought at least WW would be a sanctuary for borderline-autistic geeks like myself who found shelter and continuitiy in this community...

lorax




msg:4069798
 2:42 pm on Jan 28, 2010 (gmt 0)

Change happens whether we're ready for it or not. Better to be proactive than dragged along kicking and screaming.

After reading a bit about some of the underlying reasons (security and otherwise) I understand. I'm strapped in and ready. Go for it Brett.

Seb7




msg:4069805
 2:47 pm on Jan 28, 2010 (gmt 0)

dont like it at all, put it back, please!

ken_b




msg:4069842
 3:15 pm on Jan 28, 2010 (gmt 0)

WW has a home page?

How many visitors enter the site via the home page?

Brett_Tabke




msg:4069846
 3:20 pm on Jan 28, 2010 (gmt 0)

> How many visitors enter the site via the home page?

Small numbers enter the site that way. However, almost all of the daily repeat members visit the homepage atleast once a day. They watch for homepage additions and changes.

Some use it to replace the forum index page: [webmasterworld.com...]

jbinbpt




msg:4069855
 3:33 pm on Jan 28, 2010 (gmt 0)

Define home page...

If I click on forums index I get this
http://www.webmasterworld.com/home.htm

If I click on the logo I get this
http://www.webmasterworld.com/

Is the home page the one that says home.htm?

Brett_Tabke




msg:4069871
 3:55 pm on Jan 28, 2010 (gmt 0)

lol jbinbpt. The homepage is the index page...

[webmasterworld.com...]

See, the home page actually used to be the forums index page. We switched that about 2002 to the current slashdot style of highlighted thread homepage. We went through much gnashing at that change as well.

Let me just say - this is the first of some long over due changes to the homepage.

phranque




msg:4069892
 4:37 pm on Jan 28, 2010 (gmt 0)

http://www.webmasterworld.com/index.htm [webmasterworld.com] is non-canonical.
there's a 301 for that.

the proper response for that HTTP Request is:
301 Moved Permanently
Location:http://www.webmasterworld.com/


jonathanleger




msg:4069948
 6:07 pm on Jan 28, 2010 (gmt 0)

Hate it, hate it, hate it.

Having the nav on the left is bad news. My eyes go to that part of the page expecting content, only to hit the nav.

I'm sure there were good reasons for putting it there, but I personally liked it much better on the right-hand side.

reprint




msg:4070006
 8:21 pm on Jan 28, 2010 (gmt 0)

"Let me just say - this is the first of some long over due changes to the homepage. "

Let me tell you that in my experience, the one thing that users hate more than a change is multiple changes. Lump them together as much as you can or the screaming will not end!

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