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Crush

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3450467 posted 8:33 am on Sep 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

Without getting into a slanging match what would you suggest would be an upgrade for this board? Times have moved on but with all due respect to Mr Tabke WebmasterWorld has not.

For me it lacks:

Polls
Smilies
More modern layout ( get a designer in)
Search
allow links (no follow), but still with moderation. Hyperthetical is better with real life examples

and......

 

topr8

WebmasterWorld Senior Member topr8 us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3450467 posted 9:01 am on Sep 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

ok, now i don't want to be accused of sucking up to bt, but i've got to say ...

>>Polls

don't see the value myself, the results don't mean much.

>>Smilies

there are basic smilies here, that's enough for me

>>More modern layout ( get a designer in)

uncluttered and suits me (colours and fonts etc are totally customisable anyway)

>>Search

we're all experienced enough here to use our favorite search engine to search within this site, eg for google
site:webmasterworld.com search term here

>>allow links (no follow), but still with moderation. Hyperthetical is better with real life examples

links do seem to be allowed when truly relevant, which isn't often

bateman_ap

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3450467 posted 9:06 am on Sep 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

My 2p

Polls
Couldn't care less about them, lets talk about stuff instead of clicking some choices

Smilies
Please god no, I like the smiley free forum, they drive me mad :) oh darn!

More modern layout
Couldn't agree more, and can we do something with that logo, it drives me mad on a daily basis. But for the love of god don't make it reflective!

Search
Maybe in my opinion the best improvement that can be made on the site

allow links (no follow)
Tricky one, I would say though I have prob stuck around here for 6 years rather than any of the other boards because of this policy. A lot of other places get caught up in the link spammers attempts and it is very hard to seperate them all. Behind the iron curtain though it is slightly easier to discuss things with links.

Habtom

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3450467 posted 9:25 am on Sep 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

Polls
We share ideas, we don't vote.

Smilies
Keeping the site clear of them, is like keeping a no-smoking environment (I don't know what this means though, and no offense for the smokers here)

Modern layout
can we do something with that logo

Yea, at least keep WebmasterWorld.com all in one line, or "Webmaster World" and forget the ".com". I wouldn't mind if nothing is changed there though.

Search
I am used to how we search, it is alright. But I do remember looking for a better search option when I first found out about this site.

No Follow Links
With Follow or non-follow, I would say no links please.

Habtom

ncw164x

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3450467 posted 9:26 am on Sep 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

I visit between 20 - 30 forums and to be honest the things your asking for distract from the threads, quote is one that gets out of hand on many forums where it starts off with the first quote and by the time its got to post 9 the previous 7 posters have added all of the posts made by the other members making it very difficult to read the replies

smiles :- especally animated, they distract from the post your trying to read

polls :- what good are they when you don't get many replies so they become pointless

modern layout :- good point but dont change it if it ain't broken plus Brett is an old fashioned guy ;)

search :- yeah its always been an issue but as they say "get over it"

allow links :- if you let one link go then you have to let all and sundry post links so your forum becomes full of spam over a period in time, I agree No Links allowed

the one you left off your list is signatures at the bottom of each memebers post, someone can post a few words and you can't see it for the adverts, avatars, signatures, smiles, link dropping etc etc

if you want all these features then fine but they are not for me i'm afraid

Crush

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3450467 posted 9:44 am on Sep 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

We could even have a poll now. Update WebmasterWorld, yes or no :)

BeeDeeDubbleU

WebmasterWorld Senior Member beedeedubbleu us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3450467 posted 9:44 am on Sep 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

WW is probably the most of conservative of forums but it is none the worse for that.

Polls: No
Smilies: I think we have enough already.
More modern layout: Agreed
Search: What is provided is OK but there is no doubt that it is lacking and could be much improved.
Allow links: This would be a slippery slope.

I think we should have some form of shortened codes for insertion of quotes, bold, etc. It is after all 2007 and it gets quite tedious typing quote unquote all the time. If proper formatting shortcuts were introduced and people educated in their use the threads would be more attractive and easy to follow.

It would also stop people doing crazy things like this ;)

[edited by: BeeDeeDubbleU at 9:45 am (utc) on Sep. 14, 2007]

Crush

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Msg#: 3450467 posted 10:12 am on Sep 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

"I think we should have some form of shortened codes for insertion of quotes, bold, etc. It is after all 2007 and it gets quite tedious typing quote unquote all the time. If proper formatting shortcuts were introduced and people educated in their use the threads would be more attractive and easy to "

Exactly. Quote button. It is like doing html in notepad.

ncw164x

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3450467 posted 10:23 am on Sep 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

i take it you did not read my post about regarding the quote on other forums then....

*sigh*

BeeDeeDubbleU

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Msg#: 3450467 posted 10:39 am on Sep 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

Yes of course I did but I don't agree, plain and simple. Can we be please be entitled to our own opinions? ;)

ncw164x

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3450467 posted 10:52 am on Sep 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

so you would like to see quotes on every post?

what would happen is what i said above which totally destroy a thread after only a few post when at the moment you can choose what to quote all be it manually

IMO it distracts from the thread but like everyone else I am entitled to my opinion ;)

Lipik

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3450467 posted 12:25 pm on Sep 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

I'm only looking for information (and from time to time give some if I can).
So, if I can read it it's ok, I don't need fancy layout or flashy smilys.

About links : please no links.
BUT : maybe it could be a good idea to make some 'link page' for every forum with some basic good links. Of course under supervision of the moderator with a fill in form for members to do suggestions. And only links related to the subject of the forum and with explanation etc...

eelixduppy

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Msg#: 3450467 posted 12:59 pm on Sep 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

>> BUT : maybe it could be a good idea to make some 'link page' for every forum with some basic good links

Most of the forums here already have this and can either be found in their charter and/or in one of the threads in their library.

Marshall

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3450467 posted 1:03 pm on Sep 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

I've been here 6 years now and I don't come for the look, to vote, or explore endless links (though a "temporary" link to someone's page who is having a problem and can't explain it well enough might not be bad). I come here to learn and hopefully help which is not only what this forum was/is intended to do, but does it better than most. So Brett, IMHO, don't change a thing, though I would give second thought to living in Texas?!

Marshall

Brett_Tabke

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Msg#: 3450467 posted 3:31 pm on Sep 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

> Polls

Are in the software and turned off. They tend to be 'lame' and people start polls just for their pet interests. They get oh-so-tiring after awhile. We tried them in 01 for about a week and were turned off by popular demand.

> Smilies

The basics are there and controlable by you on your control panel.


> More modern layout ( get a designer in)

We are working on some stuff to get back to the easy mobile layout that used to be available. Easy user-controled template layouts are a result of that and not to far in the future.

Btw: you know you can control just about everything in the layout now?
Visit "edit your skin" off your control panel. You can also apply your own css file.

> Search

Show me one that will work and we will use it. We have tried every major and most minor packages available on the net. The only one that is even remotely promising (on 5m+ pages) is ASPseek and tests have been going on for awhile. There simply are no software site search engines available that can handle 5m-10m (plan for future) pages.

> allow links (no follow), but still with moderation.

Links are fine when they are nonpromotional. Wide open linking goes by another name (eg: spam) and it is why so many forums are useless junk on the web today. I look at some of the other top forums in the tech space, and I see a handlful of companies dominating the conversations and people don't even realize it.

[webmasterworld.com...]

On the other hand, some of the discussion is very relevant to the changes you will see within a few years around here ;-)

> old fashioned

Trust and speed never go out of style. Its about the content - not the style. Content is king. Its about the content - not the style. Content is king.

> though I would give second thought to living in Texas?!

Texas? Huh, I live in Austin ;-) It is a state of mind ;-)

BeeDeeDubbleU

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Msg#: 3450467 posted 3:31 pm on Sep 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

so you would like to see quotes on every post?

Did I say that? (I don't think so.)

Brett_Tabke

WebmasterWorld Administrator brett_tabke us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3450467 posted 4:03 pm on Sep 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

[webmasterworld.com...]

Marshall

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3450467 posted 4:13 pm on Sep 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

Brett, I am touched that you noticed my Texas comment. Isn't that where a certain someone is from who currently has an approval rating of around 33%? Hell of a neighbor regardless how big texas is ;-)

Marshall

Fribble

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3450467 posted 4:41 pm on Sep 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

I personally believe that the lack of glitter and not-so-useful bells and whistles is what keeps many of the more 'immature' people on 'the other forums'. So what if WW is the #2 webmaster forum in terms of traffic when most of that traffic is of poor quality to a community like this?

Don't update the smileys, or the layout (much), no avatars or taglines, etc.. keep all of the kiddies outside on the playground.

[edited by: Fribble at 4:59 pm (utc) on Sep. 14, 2007]

Marshall

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3450467 posted 5:05 pm on Sep 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

Just an FYI - The "Cool Breeze" skin setting is really nice.

Marshall

Fribble

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3450467 posted 5:08 pm on Sep 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

Here's a solution to everyone's search woes

As I understand it, the problem with using an external search engine to search WW is due to certain limitations and missing features. Each and every one of these can be fixed with the right on-page tweak. For Example:

Searching for threads that a particular user participated in:
if the user's name is "Engine" for example, adding this word just pulls up every page with the word engine in it. Adding an identifier footprint before usernames within posts can fix this. Ex: "Post by" or similar text before usernames in their posts which can be quoted in the search to pull only the threads that this user participated in and exclude other uses of the word.

Searching for posts within a particular time span:
If I want to search for a thread or post that was made in 2007, I'm screwed because of the copyright at the bottom of the page. Why not make it an image?

Etc etc etc

Then once it's all working nicely you can make a simple, easy to use search interface that gives not-so-advanced searchers nice little boxes to enter their particular options into which automatically builds the right query.

Make a thread asking what search options we all want and then figure out the right combination of on-page tweaks to allow advanced search operators to mimic the functionality.

Tropical Island

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Msg#: 3450467 posted 2:13 pm on Sep 17, 2007 (gmt 0)

I love WW just as it is.

Easy to use & read.

Please leave it alone :-)

BeeDeeDubbleU

WebmasterWorld Senior Member beedeedubbleu us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3450467 posted 2:31 pm on Sep 17, 2007 (gmt 0)

As I understand it, the problem with using an external search engine to search WW is due to certain limitations and missing features. Each and every one of these can be fixed with the right on-page tweak.

Would you ask visitors to your website to do this sort of thing or would they expect you to fix it? ;)

ncw164x

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3450467 posted 3:04 pm on Sep 17, 2007 (gmt 0)

you joined in 2004 and the problem was there before that date so why is it an issue now? ;)

BeeDeeDubbleU

WebmasterWorld Senior Member beedeedubbleu us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3450467 posted 3:31 pm on Sep 17, 2007 (gmt 0)

Who?

Brett_Tabke

WebmasterWorld Administrator brett_tabke us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3450467 posted 2:46 pm on Sep 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

last call for votes...

[webmasterworld.com...]

ncw164x

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3450467 posted 3:01 pm on Sep 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

are there only 14 members left here now Brett? ;)

physics

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3450467 posted 9:22 pm on Sep 18, 2007 (gmt 0)


> Search

Show me one that will work and we will use it. We have tried every major and most minor packages available on the net. The only one that is even remotely promising (on 5m+ pages) is ASPseek and tests have been going on for awhile. There simply are no software site search engines available that can handle 5m-10m (plan for future) pages.

Move all of the data into a MySQL database and you can use the built-in fulltext search function ;) Searching with web search engines is fine to find older stuff but is a pain for newer content.

As for some of the other requests there are good reasons not too add too many flashy features. Does anyone remember the Joel on Software post where he talks about the effect of adding different features to software ... and how he refuses to add certain reporting features that managers want to FogBugz because of the negative effect that it will have on the development/bug fixing process? I'd like to link to it but can't find it. Anyway I think that's the case here to some degree at least. For example, it's probably good that quoting isn't too easy or people start picking other people's words apart, etc. (I think BT originally said that and it makes sense to me).

Personally I like the simplicity of the design but it could be updated a bit as long as it was still clean.
Also a new logo wouldn't hurt but I really don't care what the logo looks like. Just don't have another contest ;)

A feature I'd like would be simple RSS feeds. Even if it's just a new topic feed for each forum which would just show the title and a link to the topic, that would save me from having to subscribe by email to new forum posts...

mack

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Msg#: 3450467 posted 10:00 pm on Sep 18, 2007 (gmt 0)

Polls
I can see certain times when this could be used, but at the end of the day this site is about information. The polls could be used for gatherign information, what os, what browser, what search engine etc. Although at the end of the day it's info about web developers and not Joe user.

Modern layout
Basic is what it's all about. Who needs eye candy when you have the honey pot of information.

Search
Again using your favourite search engine will probably get the best possible results.

No Follow Links
The web is all about links. If a link is truly an important part of a thread then follow or no follow shouldn't come into it. A link is a link, why no follow when the link is relevant and in correct context. Any link that needs to be classed as no follow really shouldn't be here in the first place.

Smileys
We already have basic Smileys, and I think this is more than enough. At the end of the day it's not something that improves the site.

Mack.

physics

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3450467 posted 5:11 am on Sep 19, 2007 (gmt 0)

It's pretty funny to have a poll asking whether or not people want a poll... even the people who answer 'no' are displaying a willingness to use polls ;)

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