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Business classification
I need some opinions
vivalasvegas




msg:4026835
 8:22 pm on Nov 17, 2009 (gmt 0)

I must change my business classification from a very general one to a more specific one. I live in Europe and we have a long list of business classifications that recently changed. I run my own websites and make $ from Adsense and Aff. programs. I can choose between:

-Running websites and related activities
-Selling advertising

In other words: do I choose what I do or do I choose how I monetize? I mean, I am not an advertising agency, but a webmaster. My activity is building and publishing websites. But then again, my income is the result of selling advertising in one form or another.

It is important to choose the right one because tax level is not the same. Thanks for your opinions.

 

bkeep




msg:4026918
 10:36 pm on Nov 17, 2009 (gmt 0)

Interesting, if your business can legally fit into both categories I would choose the one with the lower tax. Having said that, I think you would be better off asking an accountant or a lawyer though.

vivalasvegas




msg:4027156
 7:37 am on Nov 18, 2009 (gmt 0)

Thank you. The problem with accountants/lawyers is that it's not easy to find one who knows what he/she is talking about, especially when it comes to web marketing. I've been trying to find some analogies: for example a TV channel is a very related business to what we do. They broadcast "content" and make money by selling ads. I am sure that they are registered as some sort of media broadcasters and not as an ad agency. So I think I will go with "Running websites and related".

lammert




msg:4027217
 9:55 am on Nov 18, 2009 (gmt 0)

You are not selling advertising, but selling ad space. Therefore "Running websites and related activities" is the better choice.

Leosghost




msg:4027261
 12:20 pm on Nov 18, 2009 (gmt 0)

If you are in France ? and if this is to do with the auto entrepreneur system then you should choose selling advertising space ( but whatever you do dont mention websites ..on the form.. at least )..

The code will be decided by the INSEE ..and will likely be 7311Z ..

If you want to be certain that you get the code which suits you the best ( in relation to the allowable annual turnover ie 80.000.oo as selling adspace ..as opposed to just 32.000.oo which applies to those creating websites ) ..then dont fill in the forms on line ..go to the nearest "Chambre de Commerce" to you and ask for the person who is responsible for the "centre de formalities" and fill in the declaration along with them ..and they will send it off to the INSEE for you ( this will stop the INSEE trying to guess what category to put you in ..and maybe putting you into the 32.000.oo one ) ..running websites and related will definitely put you in the 32k "box" as the INSEE always sees websites as "building them for others" which is classed as a service industry and not as a commercial activity ..

The Chambre de Commerce folks know better ;) ..and it's their decision that trumps :) ..How do I know these things ?..I have a friend who is the head of our local Chambre de Commerce ..:)

BTW the tax and "contributions are the same percentage of turnover which ever "regime" you choose ..ie 13% contributions and 1% forfait tax of whatever your annual gross turnover is ..remember you only pay a percentage of what you really make ..if you only make 10.000.oo you'll only pay 1400.oo , only make 100.oo you'll only pay 14.oo ..it's not like micro enterprise ( which is to be avoided like the plague ) where you pay a minimum of around 1800.oo to 2200.oo no matter if you actually only had a turnover of 3.000.oo

I have another friend ( french ) who has just registered ..so have read all the paperwork about the system ..and discovered for him ( he doesnt have internet access ) many french language fora where people were bemoaning the "box" that theye had been put in by the INSEE because they filled in on line and mentioned "website" ..and got put in the box and turnover maximum of website builders for other people ..the INSEE doesnt like reversing it's decisions ..get it right first time ..or you can be into months of "recorded delivery letters"..and long phone calls ..

The french administration is a wonderous thing to behold when it's trying to reverse an error ..but you can do without the ringside seat :)

HTH

vivalasvegas




msg:4027298
 1:56 pm on Nov 18, 2009 (gmt 0)

Leosghost,
Thanks for the detailed post. I am not in France although your system sounds a lot like ours. I just bought a book listing all the codes with detailed classification info and I actually found a "Selling ad space on the Internet" subcategory within the "Running websites" classification. So this category (Running websites) seems to be just what I was looking for and I'll go with it.

Leosghost




msg:4027319
 2:30 pm on Nov 18, 2009 (gmt 0)

If you are not in France ..your system will be simpler ..trust me on that :)

Anyway the post may be useful to visitors from France :)..even the French admit that the system here is probably the most complex and contradictory and most difficult to understand ..it has to be ..to keep 10% of the entire population as civil servants ..and 52% of the GDP going to pay their wages and pensions etc ..

If they made it easy to understand ..folks would realise that we wouldn't need most of them in their government offices ..:)

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