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Will I be scammed?
coolguythampy

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Msg#: 3944086 posted 1:56 pm on Jul 1, 2009 (gmt 0)

Hello,

I recently sold some of my websites to a buyer through a forum. I transferred the domain name to him. but there was some delay. I transferred all the files to him. Then I gave him the epp code to transfer the domain. He did not do as the hosting guys told and then he initiated charge back through credit card. I was out of station when he filed a paypal dispute.

Now I accepted his payment into one of my non-verified paypal ID as I was a bit afraid of scammers. There is no money in my alternate account. the charge back is in process. Will I loose the money which I transferred to my main account? I transferred the money from the main account to my bank account. My main account is verified.

Do I have to worry about the fraudulent charge back?

 

ogletree

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Msg#: 3944086 posted 3:05 pm on Jul 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

Sounds like you still have the domain name. He will get his money back. You will just have to find another buyer.

coolguythampy

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Msg#: 3944086 posted 5:44 pm on Jul 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

How will he get his money back if my paypal account does not have any balance?

fargo1999



 
Msg#: 3944086 posted 5:49 pm on Jul 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

They can take it from your bank account.

LifeinAsia

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Msg#: 3944086 posted 5:50 pm on Jul 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

They pay him back then come after you to reimburse them.

coolguythampy

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Msg#: 3944086 posted 6:04 pm on Jul 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

I do not have any bank account linked with my paypal account. I transferred the money to my main account. But my main account has credit card attached to it. I have already cleared the money to my bank account and unlinked it.

How can they come after me if they cant contact me. I haven't given my correct identity in my alternate paypal account.

janharders

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Msg#: 3944086 posted 6:20 pm on Jul 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

they'll probably just follow the money and that leads to you.

but why do you think you could get scammed, you still have the domain and you'll have to give back the money, there's no damage done to you that I can see. Well, the files you sent them, I don't know if they can do anything with that, but other than that?

coolguythampy

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Msg#: 3944086 posted 6:24 pm on Jul 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

The problem is that I have committed to other things with the money and I do not have any left with me to repay him. The sites has mostly lost their ranks because they have been offline for close to two weeks. My main site was PR 3 and its 0 now. Also I had announced to my readers about the change and everything. I had completely debranded it. I even paid back advertisers and people who ordered blog reviews from me.

LifeinAsia

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Msg#: 3944086 posted 6:34 pm on Jul 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

None of that is of any concern to PayPal. PayPal's only concern is that they paid back your customer, so now they have to get their money back from you.

I haven't given my correct identity in my alternate paypal account.

Now you're talking about fraud. In fact, I don't know what country you're in, but you are probably dangerously close to (if not over) a dangerous legal line. Using false information to open a bank account can have some serious legal repercussions.

I'd say a chargeback is the least of your worries at this point.

coolguythampy

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Msg#: 3944086 posted 7:49 pm on Jul 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

I did not say i opened account in some others name. My details given there are highly incomplete. Thats all.

Demaestro

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Msg#: 3944086 posted 7:51 pm on Jul 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

I have already cleared the money to my bank account and unlinked it.

Sounds like someone other than you is getting scammed here.... because the way you are laying this out, your posts have a tone to them that sounds like....

"I made it impossible for them to trace this back to me, do I need to worry about getting caught?"

If you didn't sell the item then pay the money back, you didn't win the lottery here.

You still have ownership of the sites... there is no legit reason in the world to keep the money... just because you spent the money you got doesn't mean you are off the hook to pay it back. Consider it an interest free loan.... if you don't pay it back though when they do catch up to you, you will have penalties and other fees to pay as a result of your deception.

Demaestro

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Msg#: 3944086 posted 7:57 pm on Jul 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

I did not say i opened account in some others name. My details given there are highly incomplete. Thats all.

I haven't given my correct identity in my alternate paypal account.

Seems to me that these two statements made by you contradict each other. Wouldn't you say?

So which is it? You gave incomplete info or you didn't give your correct id? Because you claim to have done both but it can only be one.

creative craig

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Msg#: 3944086 posted 8:00 pm on Jul 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

I'm starting to feel a little sorry for the other guy!

bwnbwn

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Msg#: 3944086 posted 9:42 pm on Jul 2, 2009 (gmt 0)

coolguythampy if I were you I would get the person who bought the domains to take ownership ASAP as I am sure there will be a trail that leads to your door, and from the looks of your post your up to your neck in legal problems.

If he doesn't come after you Paypal will and they have the money to make it hurt.(I think if PayPal can't get them money from your account PayPal will have to pay the chargeback)

coolguythampy

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Msg#: 3944086 posted 9:18 am on Jul 3, 2009 (gmt 0)

Ok let me clear things up

1. The information I gave in pypal alternate ID is incomplete not fake.

2. I do not have the domains with me now. One of the domain when whoised shows the buyers information.

3. The reason I took precaution is that I have read in forums about domain scammers and how paypal sides with the buyers.

4. I would have paid him back if he just said that he didnt want it or was having second thoughts before I transferred all my site associated accounts, site databases, clickbank account which has over 200$ in commission (I tried to access the account but its password has been changed)

ogletree

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Msg#: 3944086 posted 2:24 pm on Jul 3, 2009 (gmt 0)

Should have used an escrow account.

coolguythampy

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Msg#: 3944086 posted 2:40 pm on Jul 3, 2009 (gmt 0)

Ya I know. My databases, my blog ranks and my clickbank accoutn all gone! Never ever am I going to use paypal again.

janharders

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Msg#: 3944086 posted 4:12 pm on Jul 3, 2009 (gmt 0)

It's not paypal's fault, really. You can dispute the chargeback, can't you?

coolguythampy

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Msg#: 3944086 posted 4:47 pm on Jul 3, 2009 (gmt 0)

What will I dispute back with? Only one domain shoes the buyers whois information. Besides this is not covered under paypal seller protection. So in all cases I will lose.

bwnbwn

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Msg#: 3944086 posted 1:38 pm on Jul 6, 2009 (gmt 0)

coolguythampy the register you were with has a record of your ownership, you have copies of the emails the buyer sent to purchase the domain name ffor x amount. You have a trail of records you can produce to prove you owned the domain and the buyer and you entered a verbal sale and a how the money was to be transferred.

I would today get this all put together call paypal get a customer rep and email him all the information you have to have the charge back reversed as paypal right now will be looking at you as the scammer anfd not the other party.

If the one you sold the domain name is a fake then you need to get with your register and prove this to get the domain name back.

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