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Woman Sued for $750,000 for a Negative Review
You can't simply throw such things out there without proof
webindia123



 
Msg#: 4526915 posted 11:41 am on Dec 11, 2012 (gmt 0)

The review suggested that the workman had actually damaged her home rather than repairing it, as she had hoped.

What's more, he'd also invoiced her for work not completed (or even started). All according to the review.


Alas the review gets worse. The lady goes on to complain that items of jewelry had gone missing from her house and that the workman had stolen them. If that isn't enough, she then goes on to accuse him of trespassing on her property.

So all in all not a great review, and understandably, Christopher Dietz, the workman in question, didn't take to it that kindly.

He claims that his overall Yelp score was pretty good until the review by Perez. After that however, his standing suffered, and he believes he has lost $300,000 worth of business.


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gerrigale



 
Msg#: 4526915 posted 11:53 am on Dec 11, 2012 (gmt 0)

This has been on mmy mind for quite some time now. I am very surprised that we do not have much more of this. These public reviews on the web make me very nervous and unless I had something good to say, I would not post it at all. Basically bad reviews can ruin your business , so to post something really negative against a business. You must be extremely upset or unhappy to take that risk...

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Msg#: 4526915 posted 12:43 pm on Dec 11, 2012 (gmt 0)

Nothing wrong with the truth!

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Msg#: 4526915 posted 1:02 pm on Dec 11, 2012 (gmt 0)

If it IS the truth, and that's not at all clear.

It's an extremely serious matter to accuse someone of criminal behaviour.

It's not clear from the article ... did she report the alleged thievery to the police?

StoutFiles

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Msg#: 4526915 posted 1:10 pm on Dec 11, 2012 (gmt 0)

Sounds like she wasn't pleased with the work, so she took to destroying his career completely. 750k is a lot of money though, and would set a precedent for negative reviews in general.

BeeDeeDubbleU

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Msg#: 4526915 posted 2:16 pm on Dec 11, 2012 (gmt 0)

If it IS the truth, and that's not at all clear.
I think you misssed my point. I was answering the post above mine.
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Msg#: 4526915 posted 2:18 pm on Dec 11, 2012 (gmt 0)

If what she wrote eas false then I think this is good. People should be made more accountable for the reviews they write and they should pay the penalty for writing false reviews.

Many businesses have been damaged by false TripAdvisor reviews.

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Msg#: 4526915 posted 3:18 pm on Dec 11, 2012 (gmt 0)

Public reviews can be problematic. Nevertheless, the review site should make it clear, or clearer, that the reviews are the reviewers responsibility, that the reviewers IP is recorded, and that the reviewer is legally liable for the reviews they post, including any litigation.

lucy24

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Msg#: 4526915 posted 12:11 am on Dec 12, 2012 (gmt 0)

There is a difference between fact and opinion. And there is such a thing as a false fact. ("The things you do know that ain't so.")

"the food was lousy" = opinion, rarely actionable
"there were lice in my salad" = statement of fact, either true or not true, probably actionable if not true

"rarely" and "probably" = depends on jurisdiction, as does burden of proof.

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Msg#: 4526915 posted 10:18 am on Dec 12, 2012 (gmt 0)

Flied lice or boiled lice?

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Msg#: 4526915 posted 10:55 am on Dec 12, 2012 (gmt 0)

I'm ok with objective reviews, but people are often driven by emotion when they write a review of a bad experience.
In this instance, the case is yet to be held, and the evidence will need to be presented to the courts for them to decide.

It is a lot of money, but the loss of earnings might be the true impact of the bad reviews.

Not long ago there was a TV show investigating the effects of bad reviews on Tripadvisor. Agreed, bad reviews can destroy a business, and if they are false, there's no excuse, imho.
Looking at one of the reviewers on the TV show, they went out of their way to find things that were wrong. In fact, some of the observations were downright ludicrous. I find that rather sad, and not a true reflection.

In other instances, some of the businesses appeared to be mediocre, but that doesn't justify a bad review, imho.

I have taken to going out of my way of writing positive, objective reviews, and rarely write bad reviews. If I have a bad experience, i'll tell the business, face-to-face, and it's up to them to fix it. It doesn't happen often, thankfully. If it's something like a hotel, or a restaurant, the easiest way to deal with that is to not go back.

If a business gets lots of emotionally-charged bad reviews I tend to ignore those. If there are objective bad reviews i'll take more notice.

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Msg#: 4526915 posted 11:13 am on Dec 12, 2012 (gmt 0)

Flied lice or boiled lice?

In Kivalliq, the word for rice-- which of course doesn't grow there-- translates as "stuff that resembles lice". Most people probably do not appreciate this fully :)

I originally wrote "a roach* in my salad" but changed it to "lice" to echo the word "lousy".

If a business gets lots of emotionally-charged bad reviews I tend to ignore those. If there are objective bad reviews I'll take more notice.

And you can tell the difference. "I hated it!" versus "There were insects that I had not ordered." Loss of income is awfully hard to prove, though.


* I now see that the word censors would have stomped heavily on the longer form of the word, drawing attention to something that would otherwise passed unnoticed. I guess I could have said cucarachas.

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Msg#: 4526915 posted 11:25 am on Dec 12, 2012 (gmt 0)

Loss of income is awfully hard to prove, though.


Previous earnings are a good indication, and it could be expected to continue in the same region. But, yes, it is harder to prove.

caran1

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Msg#: 4526915 posted 2:38 pm on Dec 13, 2012 (gmt 0)

It is difficult to take legal action when the individual /company making the defamatory statement is in another country or is protected by the forum owner.

oliondor

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Msg#: 4526915 posted 9:41 pm on Dec 13, 2012 (gmt 0)

Just host your websites abroad...

jecasc

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Msg#: 4526915 posted 10:08 pm on Dec 13, 2012 (gmt 0)


Nothing wrong with the truth!


If you have proof. Else even the truth can be libel.

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Msg#: 4526915 posted 8:44 am on Dec 14, 2012 (gmt 0)

If you have proof. Else even the truth can be libel.
I think you may have missed my point too. The truth is the truth. It cannot be libel. It can only be wronglyruled to be libel.
lucy24

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Msg#: 4526915 posted 10:43 pm on Dec 14, 2012 (gmt 0)

Or it can be wrongly called the truth, as in "I know so-and-so keyed my car" or "We know who did it" where "know" means "want or need to believe". Which is why "who has the burden of proof? " becomes such an important question.

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Msg#: 4526915 posted 2:08 am on Dec 15, 2012 (gmt 0)

You can't simply throw such things out there without proof

Sure you can, so long as you link to a source to divert negative feedback. If the source has it all wrong it's not your fault, tabloids do it all the time. If someone wants to sue they will sue even if they know you've told the truth. They will always "vigorously" defend themselves, even when guilty.

suejoh



 
Msg#: 4526915 posted 3:49 pm on Jan 15, 2013 (gmt 0)

I think generally reviews are a good thing and most people use them correctly. We went to a hotel where people had complained but the hotel had then posted a reply saying it had taken the comments on board and fixed them. And they had - we enjoyed our stay there. And I wrote a good review when we came back.
Obviously there are people who spoil this by using reviews instead of getting legal advice or going to the small claims court.

oliondor

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Msg#: 4526915 posted 3:53 pm on Jan 15, 2013 (gmt 0)

Use a proxy and a temporary Email address and you will be safe.

People using their own email and not hiding their steps are just stupid...

Razmatazed



 
Msg#: 4526915 posted 4:50 pm on Jan 15, 2013 (gmt 0)

Just last year one of my clients competitors gave my client a false review on a service they didn't even do. That same day the suspected culprit received 5 "5 star" reviews using the same "writing style" as our review. We posted a negative review on their site stating that they provided a false review for my clients company and suddenly the "false review" disappeared from my clients Google page and my client received a phone call asking for him to remove his feedback on the company.

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Msg#: 4526915 posted 6:15 am on Jan 18, 2013 (gmt 0)

welcome to WebmasterWorld, Razmatazed!

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