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Two disturbing trends
Digmen1




msg:4481485
 3:05 am on Aug 3, 2012 (gmt 0)

Hi guys I just thought I'd ask your thoughts on these trends.

1 So many websites these days do not have an email address.

They use a Form2mail system which makes it very hard to communicate in bulk.

2 Many people are using Ad blockers these days

 

SevenCubed




msg:4481486
 3:28 am on Aug 3, 2012 (gmt 0)

Yes and yes. SPAM -- why do you consider it to be a disturbing trend?

Every site I build for small business gets their email from visitors via very strict anti-spam filtering form mail and their email address is not revealed unless they choose to respond to the inquiry because it is a legitimate request.

As for Ad blockers -- I take it up a notch and block all javascript and manually allow whatever I know is the absolute minimum for the page to give me the info I need. The industry brought it on them selves plain and simple.

BeeDeeDubbleU




msg:4481531
 8:00 am on Aug 3, 2012 (gmt 0)

What do you mean by communicate in bulk?

Frank_Rizzo




msg:4481549
 10:38 am on Aug 3, 2012 (gmt 0)

The ad industry only has itself to blame for the rise in ad blockers. If they were not so intrusive, and if legislators did their job properly and protected the people, then we wouldn't need ad blockers.

You mug our data we block you. You profile us like we're a piece of meat we block you. You try to control what we see on the internet we block you. It's as simple as that.

Digmen1




msg:4481723
 8:44 pm on Aug 3, 2012 (gmt 0)

"What do you mean by communicate in bulk? "

I find it hard to send an email to say 10 companies if most of them don't have a contact email address and use Form2mail.

Imho it is the smaller companies that still have contact emails addresses on their website.
Just about all of the larger companies only have Form2Mail.

I don't think you can send a pic in Form2Mail either.

I am not a spammer - genuine email contacts, sales and offers etc.

dcheney




msg:4481740
 10:47 pm on Aug 3, 2012 (gmt 0)

"contacts, sales and offers" - that's what I call Spam - and its exactly why I only provide a form.

incrediBILL




msg:4481745
 11:06 pm on Aug 3, 2012 (gmt 0)

I am not a spammer - genuine email contacts, sales and offers etc.


Um. Sales and offers that are unsolicited are SPAM. [en.wikipedia.org] The exact reason I haven't posted an email address on a website since 1996. It's also why many of us block bots and crawlers from our websites as email harvesters are not allowed. It's also why we put CAPTCHA's, javascripts and other bot traps on those email forms so your automated programs can't send spam to the forms either.

In the B&M world signs like "trespassers will be violated" are posted and unsolicited knocks on the front door are answered with a double barreled shotgun and the air horns sitting next to the phone will make sure those telemarketers will never hear again...

lucy24




msg:4481771
 2:06 am on Aug 4, 2012 (gmt 0)

I find it hard to send an email to say 10 companies if most of them don't have a contact email address and use Form2mail.

If you have had any prior e-mail contact with a company, you know their address and possibly even the name of an individual human to go with it. Under what circumstances would you need to send identical (I assume) emails to ten companies that you've never communicated with before?

:: idly wondering how many people by now have sent Stickies saying "Psst! Here's how you do it." ::

nomis5




msg:4481828
 10:38 am on Aug 4, 2012 (gmt 0)

One easy way (?) is simply to put something like info@ in front of the domain name. E.G. info@example.com.

Most large organisations should pick up that in a default email account - I know I do for my websites.

Clearly though, you have absolutely no idea where in the organisation it will end up.

lucy24




msg:4481831
 11:18 am on Aug 4, 2012 (gmt 0)

I always expect there to be a webmaster@ -- but of course that's for bad links and typos, not for advertising. Except spam from domain-name squatters; then "webmaster" is the obvious target.

! ! !
Send it to abuse@ or legal@ and eliminate the middleman ;)

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