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question for my startup
r4bet




msg:4338819
 5:07 am on Jul 13, 2011 (gmt 0)

i wanna make a meta search engine like dogpile.com but with some added stuff which change the algorithm and show more good result no just fetching result from google bing yahoo ...
well i wanna make a real company for it. you guys please tell me how i have to make my ideas for real ?

1-what language is better to use for my system ? java php c++ ... ? what yahoo or bing use for their site ?
2-what people i have to hire ? what skill ? and how many ? (very important question)
3-how much money you think i will need for my project ?

 

r4bet




msg:4339013
 3:33 pm on Jul 13, 2011 (gmt 0)

anybody here ?

piatkow




msg:4339020
 3:48 pm on Jul 13, 2011 (gmt 0)


anybody here ?

Probably not, remember this is an international forum, the people who are best fitted to reply may not be in the same time zone as you.

r4bet




msg:4339097
 5:27 pm on Jul 13, 2011 (gmt 0)

eh sorry. ok i will wait for guys wake up ^^'

LifeinAsia




msg:4339122
 5:58 pm on Jul 13, 2011 (gmt 0)

Let's start with #3. For a VERY rough ballpark figure, I would say millions of dollars. If you've got that, then we can work on the details to the other questions. If you don't have that, then I would say you don't have any chance of making this a viable business.

Why? Because you're going to need to buy hardware and software for the public servers (and hosting them in a data center) as well as your test environment, plus hardware and software for your development staff, plus the development staff, plus overhead (office, etc). Plus once you have a product, you'll have to market it.

It's going to some time to develop something for public consumption, then some time before any revenue comes in (you DO have plans to monetize it, right?). Then even more time before revenue exceeds expenses, if ever. All that time, expenses pile up- each month you have to pay the rent, employees, and data center costs.

r4bet




msg:4339362
 5:48 am on Jul 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

i can get up to 1 million so go answer 1 and 2 ..
how ever no need data center or hardware , i even can use iweb servers ....

gmagic10




msg:4339384
 7:19 am on Jul 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

Have you consider how to get profit?

r4bet




msg:4339418
 8:50 am on Jul 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

after popularity then profit is not a problem , lots of ways exist for that

LifeinAsia




msg:4339532
 4:05 pm on Jul 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

no need data center or hardware , i even can use iweb servers
You're going to have a web site that doesn't use any hardware?! I'd like to see that! :)

after popularity then profit is not a problem , lots of ways exist for that
The "build it and the money will come" mentality sounds very 1990s...

1) No idea what Yahoo or Bing use. You can use anything you want, as long as its scalable. Each language has its own advantages and disadvantages. (Technically, you could write a search engine in BASIC...)
2) Programmers, database administrators, designers, and marketers. And someone to manage all of them. You'll also need an accountant/tax preparer and a lawyer, although neither need to be in-house (you'll probably/hopefully not need the lawyer that much; but the you'll use accountant at least monthly for payroll, quarterly for payroll returns, and annually for income tax returns and annual payroll returns, plus possible some other tax returns depending on your local tax reporting requirements).

r4bet




msg:4339644
 7:16 pm on Jul 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

for sure i will buy iweb dedicated server but its not too expensive and i don't need buy any real hardware ...


1-what programmer ? is that fine i just hire PHP coders ? i can do anything with just php on CentoOS linux ? and how many programmers you say i hire is better?
2-what is database administrators ? programmers can't handle it ?
3-desiner is not very important when i needed graphic work i can call one and take him into office to do graphic materials ... but what about marketer ? i have to really hire a marketer or if i just do marketing myself on online ads sites like adwords and etc is enough ?
4-i have to hire a full time lawyer ? i thought i just need it for lunching and after it i don't need paper works ...
5- if i Run company on a place which have no tax like Dubai or somewhere then no need accountant/tax preparer ?

mhansen




msg:4339651
 7:44 pm on Jul 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

I would start with an Attorney who will guide you down the right path of IP, disclosure and/or non-compete if you are serious. Then talk to some business strategists about demand, marketing, and revenue models. The $15-20k you spend before even starting will be the best money you spend on the whole project!

After you figure out if there is an even a demand or need for a new business... THEN look at what it will take to build and manage one. Since you are considering building something "like Dogpile", as far as what its going to take to build, scale and run... do a bit of research on their company, and assume it will take the same.

MH

LifeinAsia




msg:4339736
 10:31 pm on Jul 14, 2011 (gmt 0)

i will buy iweb dedicated server...i don't need buy any real hardware ...
One server? It sounds like you're not planning to make a real business... Do you have any idea how many servers real companies like Google or Yahoo or Bing use? Or even dogpile? How many users do you think one server can handle? And what happens if (when) that one server goes down?
1-what programmer ? is that fine i just hire PHP coders ?
Read the previous message about scalability.
2-what is database administrators ? programmers can't handle it ?
Maybe they can and maybe they can't initially. But there will be plenty of work for both functions. And if both functions are handled by one person and that person bails on you... Also, in general, most programmers don't think like DBAs and vice versa. If your database isn't designed well from the beginning, you'll have nothing but problems later on. Similarly, if your site is not programmed well in the beginning, fixing it later will be difficult, if not impossible, as well.
3-desiner is not very important
If you think that, you should walk away from this project before wasting any money on it. Design is not just how pretty something looks. It's also about usability and functionality. It's also about how all all the pieces fit together.
4-i have to hire a full time lawyer ?
Re-read my post- I specifically said you DON'T need one in-house. But you should use one to setup the company and get things squared away in the beginning. You may also need to use him/her if you get sued or if you need to sue someone else (employees running off with proprietary data or programs, people stealing your content, etc.). You're most likely going to have to sign contracts for major revenue partners- it's useful to have someone help you understand what you're signing before you sign it. Otherwise, chances are that you be in serious need of a lawyer later on.
5- if i Run company on a place which have no tax like Dubai or somewhere then no need accountant/tax preparer ?
Right... Your programmers are going to live in Dubai? Your server is going to be located in Dubai? Are you going to keep all the company's profits (assuming it makes any) in Dubai?

Overall, it sounds like you have an idea for a project. But based on the questions you're asking I'm not sure that you have any concept of what it takes to actually run a business.

Nothing wrong with that- most people who start a business don't have a clue as to what they're getting themselves into. Myself included. :) Some manage to survive in spite of themselves, but most others don't.

You need to take a long, hard look at how much of a demand there is for what you want to do, how to differentiate yourself from everything else out there, how much users are going to be willing to pay to use it (or from indirect revenue like advertising), etc.

r4bet




msg:4339834
 5:21 am on Jul 15, 2011 (gmt 0)

1-i still don't know what programmer i have to hire ... PHP coders can do anything or PHP is not so strong to do real works ?
2-Dubai is not good ? maybe i go there and hire programmers who live there ... is that a good idea ? i herd Dubai Silicon Oasisis a good place for startups as good as Silicon valley ...

r4bet




msg:4340336
 2:55 pm on Jul 16, 2011 (gmt 0)

hmmm ?

Taqwaconsulting




msg:4340438
 6:33 am on Jul 17, 2011 (gmt 0)

well if you are serious in hiring and want to take the risk in this business, which sounds tough, i would suggest you to go down to India's IT hub, Hyderabad or Bangalore. you will get cheap labour there and awesome skillset. Guys there are highly talented in IT and very hard working. And then dollar to rupee conversion will be good for you as you don't need to pay huge salaries.

Does that help?

nomis5




msg:4340601
 9:21 pm on Jul 17, 2011 (gmt 0)

You say $1m is no problem for you. That begs the question what experience do you have in the website development business?

We know you have the money, but the next step depends on what experience you already have in this industry. If you have some experience, OK, what is the extent of that experience?

dpd1




msg:4341071
 4:12 am on Jul 19, 2011 (gmt 0)

This is like saying you want to try building your own airplane, and start off with a 747. Not trying to sound mean, but if you were prepared for an endeavor of this magnitude... you really wouldn't need anybody here to talk to. Maybe start with something a little more down to earth. If you really can get that kind of money, there's a lot of other things that would probably give you way higher rates of success. But Bill Gates didn't have a clue, so who am I to say. :-)

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