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Internet Gambling Legalization Bill to Be Considered by U.S. Congress
Barney Frank Says it's Time to Roll Back Gambling Ban

 4:48 pm on May 5, 2009 (gmt 0)

According to this report in The New York Times [nytimes.com]:

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Representative Barney Frank will unveil legislation on Wednesday to roll back a U.S. ban on online gambling, he said in a statement on Tuesday....

The Massachusetts Democrat said his legislation "will enable Americans to bet online and put an end to an inappropriate interference with their personal freedom."



 7:28 pm on May 7, 2009 (gmt 0)

It's not the job of the federal government to tell me what I can or cannot do with my money in my own home.

That's what this should be about. Not anything else.


 8:16 pm on May 7, 2009 (gmt 0)

I gamble enough to know it's bad because I see people broke crying, begging for money, even people I've destroyed at a poker table asking me to stake them again, it's crazy.

Come on, admit that everyone in favor of online gambling are the affiliates which are drooling over this prospect.

I was a casino dealer for 5 years so I have also seen that scenario played out many times as well.

I am in favor of online gambling and I am not an affiliate drooling over the prospects.

I just don't think that there are good enough reasons to make it so I can't play Poker from my home.

Again I have seen people hit crossing the street, I still think I should have the right to cross the street despite the fact some can't do it responsibly.

We can't continue to shape our laws to cater to the lowest common denominator. The lowest denominator in our society is getting lower all the time, and I am tired of walking a guard railed, padded, path everywhere I go just so someone doesn't scrape their knee.

It's not the job of the federal government to tell me what I can or cannot do with my money in my own home.

That's what this should be about. Not anything else.

As long as everyone involved is a consenting adult, and you aren't victimizing people, you are 100% correct.


 3:00 pm on May 10, 2009 (gmt 0)

Seems like this conversation has devolved into "gambling". Only gambling I see these days is Adsense, where the house controls the game, the rules, and so many starry-eyed folks drop oodles of cash in search of the jackpot.

THE ORIGINAL TOPIC is about a few Democrats in the US Congress wanting to undo a ban against on-line gambling. I don't care as regards the "evil" of gambling. I care that folks take personal responsibility for what they do. What I really care about is politicians attempting social morality via legislation in an attempt to TAX INCOME (which they couldn't do if it was illegal). These guys are after the money--and in their purview: if it moves TAX IT!

I prefer backgammon and blackjack...one because there is some skill in position and plan ahead (like chess), the second because it is quick, neat, and runs through the deck once. But I have never been dumb enough to think a living could be made from games of chance. Or that the government has to get involved. Hard work is where the reward comes in. Do that. Life is enough of a gamble as it is.


 4:26 am on May 11, 2009 (gmt 0)

Demaestro, I agree 100%. Great post!


 2:05 pm on May 12, 2009 (gmt 0)

What do you think the chances are of this bill becoming a law?

Im getting top legal advice on this and will chime in later but after following the gaming laws since the UIGEA passed, I give it a very small chance of passing the House and Senate. If it does, we will have a huge transition period in between anyway while the logistics of the law are actually worked out.

On a "moral" note I've always been under the belief that it's your life, you can mess it up if you want. People need to be held accountable for their actions instead of blaming the government. Online gambling is no different than going to Vegas and losing, or winning.

[edited by: Timetraveler at 2:10 pm (utc) on May 12, 2009]


 4:50 am on May 13, 2009 (gmt 0)

The whitehouse just released the Citizens Briefing Book which collected the top issues submitted and voted on at change.gov


The #1 Technology issue -
Boost America’s Economy with Legal Online Poker


 5:00 am on May 13, 2009 (gmt 0)

"Boost America's Economy" ...?

Truth in advertising .... no comment.


 12:40 pm on May 13, 2009 (gmt 0)

California Governor Schwarzenegger sent out a Twitter message recently stating that he had received notice that California needed to increase the number of gaming licenses available. He said "that's a mistake, I'll appeal". I would have RT'd the message but I was too busy playing poker on my computer.

edit: oh, I almost forgot, i'm in double trouble because I also paid $10.00 for fantasy baseball this year and am hoping to win the $100.00 prize in my pool, more evil gambling.

[edited by: JS_Harris at 12:44 pm (utc) on May 13, 2009]


 2:04 pm on May 13, 2009 (gmt 0)

It's just online gambling I have issues with, that's all.

You must also then have issues with Amazon vs. B&Ms, YouTube vs. DVDs, Adwords vs. Billboards, etc.

Okay, maybe that's an oversimplification, but just because the medium changes from offline to online, that's no reason to immediately demonize it. Are the online tables rigged? Some more than others, but most definitely so. But so what? You can rig a home game too. We've all seen Rounders.

Besides, there are SUPPOSED to be companies monitoring this type of thing, just like any other quality control agency, but unfortunately since none of the companies are U.S. based, we cannot regulate this. If we were to make it legal to operate within the United States, then we could actually enforce standards.

Online poker is less about physical tells and more about table image and recall. If someone usually raises six times the big blind with a high pocket pair, I'll notice that. If they have a tendency to bet out on a draw, I'll notice that. If they're the chip leader, I'll notice that. If they are aggresive bettors rather than conservative, I'll notice that. Then you have odds, "on-the-come" bets, and if you're really attentive, you can even get a feel for the "riggedness" of a particular site. For example, one site in particular will make you lose with pockets aces 9 out of 10 times if there are only 10% of the original players left and you are on the short stack. That's why it is important to be an aggressive bettor instead of conservative on that particular site.

As far as no services being rendered in online poker, that's not true. It's a game, the service is having fun playing it. The same applies for World of Warcraft, XBOX Live, or anything of that nature. You pay to play, not to win, although that is good too sometimes.

I used to play a lot online. When the Neteller guys got pinched I decided to stop, since I had a Neteller account and it took nearly a year to get my funds out. But if it was legal, I'd start up again.


 11:27 am on May 15, 2009 (gmt 0)

--Yeah and why tell AIG and the mega-banks what they can do with their money? --

It wasn't their money! The banks were investing other people's money very badly, that's why we're all in such a mess.

Other people allowed the banks control over their money on the assumption that the banks would use it responsibly, without taking too many risks. It now turns out that the banks were taking horrible risks by offering loans to people who should never have been offered loans.

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