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What has happened to the UK Sector?
As popular as big brother?
Swanson




msg:3404701
 11:37 pm on Jul 25, 2007 (gmt 0)

I have always followed this forum and it just occurred to me how sparse the UK forum has been especially the last 6 months.

Have all the UK people stopped visiting this forum, is the UK issue less important now for webmasters or are there less people using webmasterworld in the UK?

Anyone out there?

 

glengara




msg:3404709
 11:44 pm on Jul 25, 2007 (gmt 0)

There aren't any UK/Irish search engines worth talking about are there?

IanTurner




msg:3404949
 6:56 am on Jul 26, 2007 (gmt 0)

I tend to agree with glengara, there are no real UK/IE specific search engines any more, barring Mirago who tick along.

So unless Mirago does something there isn't really any news.

Though personally I'm seeing lots more regionalisation from Google these days, and I'm sure the other majors are going to go the same way. So we should have plenty to discuss regarding Google regionalisation.

vincevincevince




msg:3404957
 7:41 am on Jul 26, 2007 (gmt 0)

I think it's a case of google.co.uk being better than the competition and so there being little news worth discussion.

martinibuster




msg:3404959
 7:43 am on Jul 26, 2007 (gmt 0)

Is Ask not so popular in the UK anymore? Seemed like Ask had more acceptance in the UK than in the US several years ago.

IanTurner




msg:3406157
 11:45 am on Jul 27, 2007 (gmt 0)

Ask is a little more popular in the UK than in the US but still in fourth place and with <5% of users a fairly insignificant player in real terms.

Also not sure if the change from AskJeeves to Ask was a great move this side of the atlantic.

vincevincevince




msg:3406170
 12:00 pm on Jul 27, 2007 (gmt 0)

Also not sure if the change from AskJeeves to Ask was a great move this side of the atlantic.

Just what I thought at the time.

jmccormac




msg:3409782
 6:26 pm on Jul 31, 2007 (gmt 0)

I have always followed this forum and it just occurred to me how sparse the UK forum has been especially the last 6 months.
Well this site now takes ages to load. (Perhaps since it changed hosting). I don't even bother reading the forum most days. I'm not sure if it is a routing or Bogon problem.

Have all the UK people stopped visiting this forum, is the UK issue less important now for webmasters or are there less people using webmasterworld in the UK?
It would be interesting to see how many are still reading.

Regards...jmcc

glengara




msg:3409850
 7:27 pm on Jul 31, 2007 (gmt 0)

You on dial-up JMCC?

I've no problems with this site on broadband....

jmccormac




msg:3409879
 8:04 pm on Jul 31, 2007 (gmt 0)

I'm on Esat Business DSL Glengara,
It is rather strange that the site slowed to a crawl after it flipped hosting. I have a feeling that it could be a Bogon issue somewhere along the route. It loads fine from one of my remote servers though. I suppose I could set up a proxy but I've been a bit busy with the domains and stats work.

The .uk is next up for analysis so at least I might be able to finally make sense of these 2M+ .co.uk domains that I've in the database here and perhaps build a UK search engine/directory.

Regards...jmcc

mack




msg:3411374
 12:17 pm on Aug 2, 2007 (gmt 0)

The big problem With UK centric engines is there are a lof of sites that really need to be there, but are excluded. I think the key is to have a search engine UK focused, but if the correct result to show is non UK based it should still be shown.

As an example if a user types in Nasa, they are looking for Nasa, not a UK page talking about it.

On the other hands if a user types in "buy widgets online" they are looking for somewhere to buy a widget, it needs to be a site that is UK based, or ships to the UK and sells in GBP.

There is UK centric and UK preferance, I think the latter makes more sence.

Mack.

vincevincevince




msg:3412409
 6:29 am on Aug 3, 2007 (gmt 0)

Absolutely. Just think of wikipedia - there is lots of useful content about the UK there, but it is not hosted in the UK, registered in the UK or based on a UK TLD.

jmccormac




msg:3412442
 7:13 am on Aug 3, 2007 (gmt 0)

The big problem With UK centric engines is there are a lof of sites that really need to be there, but are excluded. I think the key is to have a search engine UK focused, but if the correct result to show is non UK based it should still be shown.
Some of this could be due to these search engines having an imperfect view of the UK webspace. The main filters in determining whether the site is a UK site (once the SE goes outside the 180K or so UK sites in the UK section of Dmoz (I haven't looked at a Dmoz dump for a while so the count could be higher)) are often the .uk extension and having the server on a UK IP. It would miss the segment of the UK com/net/org/biz/info market hosted on non-UK IP ranges. (I think that I could use the 2.5M detected .co.uk doms database here with a Ghosthunter algorithm I developed a few years ago to detect Irish owned com/net/org/biz/info sites outside of Irish webspace to map that segment of the UK market.)

As an example if a user types in Nasa, they are looking for Nasa, not a UK page talking about it.
Yep Mack but this is the point at where the SE changes from being a UK specific SE to being a generic SE like Google etc. It might be possible to include the top ranked websites as a subsection though.

There is UK centric and UK preferance, I think the latter makes more sence.
It does. But it also requires that the SE is underpinned by a larger generic SE and some very sophisticated user interface algorithms. A well designed UK preference SE could be a Google-killer in the UK.

Regards...jmcc

jmccormac




msg:3412449
 7:22 am on Aug 3, 2007 (gmt 0)

Absolutely. Just think of wikipedia - there is lots of useful content about the UK there, but it is not hosted in the UK, registered in the UK or based on a UK TLD.
And all the bulletin boards and web directories out there. It is a tricky problem for a search engine developer Vincevincevince. A true UK search engine would have to be inclusive - but it runs into the problem of defining what is UK related. Almost back to Dmoz. :)

Regards...jmcc

engine




msg:3412872
 4:11 pm on Aug 3, 2007 (gmt 0)

This really is about the sector, rather than the forum.

Most people look at what drives traffic, and it's the usual big four culprits, with UK & Ireland-specific search being a pale shadow of global (in terms of global volume). However, it's still valuable and targted.

Breaking search sector down, as I see it, you've got:

Global search services offering UK & Ireland search options.
Global directories with UK & Ireland sections
Global Specialist directories
Local generic (UK & Ireland) directories.
Local specialist directories.

Beyond that, you've got the thousands of specialist professional blogs you'll find in the specialist blog search services.

In addition, there's now social networking to consider.

Perhaps it's no longer about who's new, but about how to best employ the new services.

Maxnpaddy




msg:3421995
 5:04 pm on Aug 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

Employ the new services hmmmm, :)off I trot to discover new advertising opportunities.

Actually, 2 new engines (both UK) have emerged during the last year. Things are getting better, and more advertising options are opening up.

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