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Still not indexed after 4 years!

 8:41 pm on Feb 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

Hi folks,

I've been running a commercial website for the past 4 years, selling audio/video products. I have paid Google THOUSANDS of adwords dollar$ so that my site shows up on speciafic keywords, but it has never been showing up in the (unpaid) search results. We've NEVER used any unfair tactics or anything that could get us banned by Google, so that's not an issue. I have submitted sitemap.xml a long time ago, and i have my Google API key to check on my site regularly, but i have never made the top 1000 for those keywords. There aren't enough competitor websites to justify not making the top 1000, the keywords i use are not that broad. The site uses mostly HTML / XHTML and there is only one flash banner. I traded links with some pretty big websites that are being visited regularly by spiders, but i'm still "invisible".

So what's my problem? I read all that i could on google webmaster tools and made all the changes to my site that could help me get noticed, but still nothing. What else can i do?



 9:08 pm on Feb 14, 2007 (gmt 0)

it may have to do with the site itself...
the way you link, the content, etc...

if you'd care to sticky me, I can take a look for you and perhaps offer some suggestions...



 12:59 pm on Feb 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

Welcome to WebmasterWorld, kookie.

There can be quite a difference between "not indexed" and "not making the top 1000", depending on the type of site and the keyphrases you'd like to be found for.

If the site has had links for any reasonable amount of time, then normally one would expect to be crawled. If you have good links for most of the four years, then it would seem odd not to come top1000 for any of your phrases. There can be many of reasons for this, such as Google not liking your links or your content.

If the site is large, is in Google but never comes up for good key phrases, then the first question I would have, do you have genuinely unique content or does similar content appear on other sites?

If your site is not in Google at all, then it may be worth looking at your server logs to see if Googlebot is fetching your pages.


 3:01 pm on Feb 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

sorry i think i said "not indexed" instead of "not in the top 100". My site is being indexed, just not ranked. Site is 100% original content and has been since the beginning. The links have only been there for about 3 months, but so far it hasn't changed anything.


 3:06 pm on Feb 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

forgot to say, the domain has a .tv extension, would that have any ill effect with google?


 2:38 pm on Feb 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

Even if you have had a site for four years, the important thing in Google is how long you've had links. Many people would consider three months to be a short time for a new site, when it comes to getting good rankings in Google.

There was a period where some people had a lot of sites on .tv domains, that were not to search engines' liking, but if you have a good original site I don't think the .tv domain will do you any harm.


 4:27 pm on Feb 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

I've always had other sites point at mine, because of the nature of some of our services, which are in a niche market. But we've only recently added the links page, with links back to some of those sites, so hopefully that'll soon pay out.
I can't believe the site's been invisible just because of that? surely there are other factors, or does every site that does not have a links page not show up in search results?


 4:34 pm on Feb 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

You have to look at the quality of the inbound links, not just the quantity. If all the sites linking to you have a PR of 0, Google will not be very impressed by those links. Also, "big sites" does not necessarily mean "good sites."

What about the actual pages on your site? Do they all have unique TITLE tags?


 4:40 pm on Feb 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

Even if you have had a site for four years, the important thing in Google is how long you've had links.

Even in that case, four years is quite a long time and there is usually a natural occurrence of inbound links and I do emphasize usually. Are you in the top ten for a company name search?

In this instance, one of the first things I'd be looking as is the technical side. Server setup, what headers are being returned, whether or not you have a robots.txt file, etc. Any number of things could be misconfigured and cause a site to be a poor performer.

I will agree, the inbound links are going to have a direct impact on how your site fairs in the SERPs (Search Engine Results Pages). But, after four years, you should be getting a little bit of love from Google and the others?


 5:06 pm on Feb 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

Hi Kookie


Have a look at the top 10 sites on the keyword phrases you're interested in

Compare the sites to yours, in detail, as per all the things you've learned about SEO :-)

See how close you can come to doing what they've done, but do not copy them

Submit to dmoz

good luck


 8:44 pm on Feb 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

Those are all valid points, I think i might have overlooked a few things and the site is not really optimized. I have many page titles that are the same, and no robots file either. Time to do my homework.


 9:02 pm on Feb 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

I have many page titles that are the same.

That has been proven to have an adverse affect on how those pages perform. One of those 200+ signals of quality. ;)


 9:42 pm on Feb 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

I will remedy to that now. One thing i did notice is, within google webmaster tools, checking which pages of my site are being indexed, there are only 23 and they are all on the blog that i installed a few months ago. None of the other pages of the regular site appear.


 10:39 pm on Feb 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

are you familiar with canonical issues? if not do a search


 10:51 pm on Feb 16, 2007 (gmt 0)

yes, i made sure all my pages use the same form www.mysite.com consistently. the pages that are indexed all show up as www.mysite.com/blog

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