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Large h1 - h2 Headings
Getit

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Msg#: 3229234 posted 5:17 pm on Jan 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

I have seen lists that rank "Large h1-h2 headings" as second only to the "Title" for on page optimization value.
Is this really true? Many successful sights don't use these tags at all.

Does a Strong Tag or Bold Tag have the same impact as <h1> or <h2>?

 

dickbaker

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Msg#: 3229234 posted 11:18 pm on Jan 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

Brett Tabke's great "26 steps" outline includes <h1> tags as an important part of SEO.

I have a client who has a page on her site that deals with widgets in a certain city. I had her put "city widgets" in an <h1> tag at the top of the page. Within a month, she was ranking #16 on Google for that term.

abbeyvet

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Msg#: 3229234 posted 11:31 pm on Jan 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

"Large h1-h2 headings"

H1 and other headers are important. But do you mean by "large" that the size of them is in some way relevant? No, size is not relevant. Bold may have some marginal effect, but it is nothing like as important as h1.

Many successful sights don't use these tags at all.

It's a mistake to just pick one thing like this and come to any conclusions based on whether sites use or don't use them.

No one thing determines how successful a site is - it's multifactorial. A size with 'perfect' use of H1, title tags etc will be nowhere if it has nobody linking to it, one with tens of thousands of links won't be significantly affected if it has none. But even that is just two factors.... and it depends on the content of the headers.... and the quality of the links ... and how old the links/sites are.... the quality and nature of the content and SO many other things.

jimbeetle

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Msg#: 3229234 posted 11:35 pm on Jan 23, 2007 (gmt 0)

Does a Strong Tag or Bold Tag have the same impact as <h1> or <h2>?

Many years ago (in 'Net time) it was thought that it might. I haven't seen anything on it in a long, long time and have a feeling that the SEs, if they had ever looked at, probably found better things to use their resources on.

Strong title element. Strong meta description. Strong meta keywords (many folks don't, but I throw them in. Strong <H1> element that closely mirrors the title.

Jhet

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Msg#: 3229234 posted 4:40 pm on Jan 24, 2007 (gmt 0)

Matt Cutts discussed strong vs bold in one of his videos. He said that strong and bold are treated exactly the same. The exact video and location where he talks about it are below.

[video.google.com...]

Robert Charlton

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Msg#: 3229234 posted 8:08 am on Jan 26, 2007 (gmt 0)

Does a Strong Tag or Bold Tag have the same impact as <h1> or <h2>?

Note that strong and bold are inline elements, and <h1> or <h2> are block elements... and they have very different functions on your page.

Strong and bold tags don't forced a new line. They format text within a line and provide a degree of emphasis.

Heading elements, though, are block elements. Not only do they force a new line... but headings are important structural elements for a document as well. They divide a page into sections. Per w3.org [w3.org]...

A heading element briefly describes the topic of the section it introduces. Heading information may be used by user agents, for example, to construct a table of contents for a document automatically.

Properly used (with related following text), they help to organize a document and convey its meaning to users and to search engines.

H1 and H2 headings don't have to be large and clunky any more. They can be formatted by css to be attractive on your page... but they should properly be used as headings.

soulful house

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Msg#: 3229234 posted 8:38 pm on Jan 26, 2007 (gmt 0)

I have an h1 relevant question.....what if in a site's homepage I use 3 or more times the H1 heading, given that those heading are useful for the visitor and have sense?

abbeyvet

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Msg#: 3229234 posted 8:47 pm on Jan 26, 2007 (gmt 0)

It's better to have just one H1

You can make H2 look exactly the same if that makes tha page clearer for the user. The vast, vast majority will neither know nor care what you marked it up as.

Robert Charlton

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Msg#: 3229234 posted 9:52 pm on Jan 26, 2007 (gmt 0)

I have an h1 relevant question.....what if in a site's homepage I use 3 or more times the H1 heading, given that those heading are useful for the visitor and have sense?

h1, h2, h3 etc headings etc are about a hierarchical document structure.

As abbeyvet suggests, the h1 should be used only once on a page. You can use multiple h2 and h3 headings, though, but I'd be careful not to use too many on any one page. Here are a couple of threads on the subject...

H1 tags, H2 tags, H3 tags, ect.
How do you use each type of "H" tag?
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'Proper' SEO-friendly layout
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the_el_man

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Msg#: 3229234 posted 4:24 pm on Feb 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

Does it matter if a h2 tag is before a H1?

or is it better do do it in order, h1 h2 h3/

For example I have a top section with best links and popular pages as H2, but the title of the page is h1 is below this. Should i swap?

jimbeetle

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Msg#: 3229234 posted 4:31 pm on Feb 15, 2007 (gmt 0)

Semantically, yes, the H1 used to hold the title of the page should come before the H2 holding the subsection.

If you really need the subsection to come before the title for layout, navigation or aesthetic reasons you might look into using CSS for positioning elements in a different order.

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