I'm sorry bout i really have to disagree with you all. For every instance of one of you saying that msn "likes clean code" I can show you numerous sites that are disasters, yet are ranking well. SPAM is out of control. There's a guy who ranks nowhere in google or yahoo who's in our field. the reason why is that he's penalised. the guy blatently spams, cloaks, garbage link pages, doorways galore. heck I know one method right now that will get your site doing very well. spamming the new msn is an absolute joke. When you see pages that you use for a link campaign on a site, outperforming the actual site...you know something's wrong.