wildbest - 2:42 pm on Mar 9, 2006 (gmt 0)
One could say that using that logic, the confirmation is unsolicited.. A catch 22.
No, it is not. I know when people take the hassle to report the spam. They would never do it from the first email they got from a spammer. 99.99% of them will report spam if only they get persistent spam emails. IF you do not get a confirmation from a certain email address, you should forget about that email address. But you continue to send spam despite that you've got no confirmation and, of course, the genuine email owner will report your abuse.
It doesn't matter if you get a confirmation, or even a recording on the telephone from the user saying "please put me on your mailing list" most ISP's will shut you down if someone merely complains. They don't spend the time to even ask you if the complaint is valid.
Of course, this is the right thing to do. And what does "merely" mean? A complaint is a complaint. There is no such thing as "mere" complaint!
In the end, I just got my own pipe, my own servers, and send my mailings out myself.
Does that make you less of a spammer?
Every email I send allows users to opt out and comes from a valid email address. When I get a spam complaint from someone, I send them the info they signed up with, noting how the IP address/range of their complaint email matches with the email sign up log, and to be more careful when they sign up for mailing lists.
You may say whatever you want or what suits you, but YOU have to prove - the one that opted-in is the owner of the email address that they opted-in with! If you can not prove that you should be brought to a court of law. It's simple.