LOL! Lets recap the name calling engaged in by Multiman. In the three months (or so) I've been on WebmasterWorld, he has called others:
Ghosts, criminals, welfare recipients, stalkers, attackers, spammers, whinners, trough-feeders, inferior, scaredy-cats, shady, evil, twisted and thieves.
(I probably missed a bunch)
Multiman, regardless of the validity of your arguments, your juvenile name-calling is both offensive and detrimental to getting others to see your point of view. I would suggest not only 'seeking honest and genuine discussion' but also 'respectful' discussion as well. It might get you further.