Amen, Shorebreak, amen to your insightful post. Reading through the whole thread I can definitely see Voxman's side of things, although we've felt it much more from Y than from G. Please people - if you feel like you are being taken by some sites speak up. Googleguy, Msndude and whoever Yahoo has here should be listening. Its in no ones best interest(well except for the fly-by-nighters) to accept click-fraud as written-in-stone, comes-with-the -territory crap. How do bad neighborhoods change? When the residents decide that crime IS NOT ACCEPTABLE and some are willing to speak out about it.